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DeleteMMR
2 years ago

Delete Hidden MMR / EOMM from public playlists

Nice Job deleting MMR from Ranked, now do it for Public playlists too. I am Master with a 3.00 KD overall and I absolutely CANT play public with my best friends because they are not playing this game...
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reconzero's avatar
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@DeleteMMR

"where is the point having a ranked mode when the public mode is also matched BY A RANK???"

Um, so that people will still, theoretically, be matched with and against people of roughly equal skill. I know that is seldom the way it works in reality, but the theory is both sound and fair.

"i CANT play the game with my friends because they are playing against master/pred when they play with me."

Sorry, but that's as it should be. Playing with friends is a pie-in-the-sky idea that dev's pay a lot of lip service to, but which in reality is utterly impossible to implement in a fair way. Unless the friends are all of similar skill. Which in my experience never seems to happen.

"i want MIXED lobbies."

Higher skilled players always want mixed lobbies, and it's okay to want them just as long as you don't hide behind the idea that they are somehow inherently more "fair."

"If a bronze-plat player absolutely doesnt want to get matched against higher ranked players: PLAY RANKED????"

This is most emphatically NOT the point or purpose of a ranked playlist, though I can see what you're getting at. But again, it only makes sense if you believe that pubs should be truly randomly matched. Which I don't. And never will.

"your answer shows that you have no idea what competitive integrity means."

Funny, I was going to say more or less the same about your belief that little league kids should be playing against MLB pros.

"I DONT want a filter system that let me play against the top 10% playerbase over and over in a CASUAL playlist."

So because you're a top 10% player then you should be able to get lobbies where you can beat 90% of the players? Yeah, that's competitive integrity. And we don't even need to argue about fairness. The fact that the dev believes now, and always has, that open lobbies are bad for the health of the game tells me everything I need to know about what they consider fair.

"IF they wont delete EOMM/MMR from public I will make new accounts to play with my friends over and over again."

And there we have it. Acknowledging that you are willing to Smurf to have things your own way tells me everything else that I need to know about what is fair in this game. I wish you all the luck in the world with your smurfing and hope that each and every single level 5 player you demolish gives you a great sense of satisfaction. Richly deserved, I'm sure. I take more than a little satisfaction from the idea that better players than you are doing the exact same thing and there will be ample opportunity for you to be hoist on your own petard.
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DeleteMMR
2 years ago
  1. @reconzero wrote:
    @DeleteMMR

    "where is the point having a ranked mode when the public mode is also matched BY A RANK???"

    Um, so that people will still, theoretically, be matched with and against people of roughly equal skill. I know that is seldom the way it works in reality, but the theory is both sound and fair.

    "i CANT play the game with my friends because they are playing against master/pred when they play with me."

    Sorry, but that's as it should be. Playing with friends is a pie-in-the-sky idea that dev's pay a lot of lip service to, but which in reality is utterly impossible to implement in a fair way. Unless the friends are all of similar skill. Which in my experience never seems to happen.

    "i want MIXED lobbies."

    Higher skilled players always want mixed lobbies, and it's okay to want them just as long as you don't hide behind the idea that they are somehow inherently more "fair."

    "If a bronze-plat player absolutely doesnt want to get matched against higher ranked players: PLAY RANKED????"

    This is most emphatically NOT the point or purpose of a ranked playlist, though I can see what you're getting at. But again, it only makes sense if you believe that pubs should be truly randomly matched. Which I don't. And never will.

    "your answer shows that you have no idea what competitive integrity means."

    Funny, I was going to say more or less the same about your belief that little league kids should be playing against MLB pros.

    "I DONT want a filter system that let me play against the top 10% playerbase over and over in a CASUAL playlist."

    So because you're a top 10% player then you should be able to get lobbies where you can beat 90% of the players? Yeah, that's competitive integrity. And we don't even need to argue about fairness. The fact that the dev believes now, and always has, that open lobbies are bad for the health of the game tells me everything I need to know about what they consider fair.

    "IF they wont delete EOMM/MMR from public I will make new accounts to play with my friends over and over again."

    And there we have it. Acknowledging that you are willing to Smurf to have things your own way tells me everything else that I need to know about what is fair in this game. I wish you all the luck in the world with your smurfing and hope that each and every single level 5 player you demolish gives you a great sense of satisfaction. Richly deserved, I'm sure. I take more than a little satisfaction from the idea that better players than you are doing the exact same thing and there will be ample opportunity for you to be hoist on your own petard.

„Um, so that people will still, theoretically, be matched with and against people of roughly equal skill. I know that is seldom the way it works in reality, but the theory is both sound and fair.“ 

this is NOT an answer for my question. WHY are there 2 Playlists IF BOTH playlists do the exact same thing? 
the first one is a public CASUAL playlist. The other one is the COMPETITIVE playlist. 


„Higher skilled players always want mixed lobbies, and it's okay to want them just as long as you don't hide behind the idea that they are somehow inherently more "fair."“

They HAVE to be mixed in a CASUAL playlist. Otherwise you have TWO Ranked playlists. 


„Sorry, but that's as it should be. Playing with friends is a pie-in-the-sky idea that dev's pay a lot of lip service to, but which in reality is utterly impossible to implement in a fair way. Unless the friends are all of similar skill. Which in my experience never seems to happen“ 

you absolutely cant be serious 🤡 

so because EA has to Rigg their casual playlist to only let top 10% player play against each other I cant play with my lower ranked friends anymore. 🤡 

„So because you're a top 10% player then you should be able to get lobbies where you can beat 90% of the players? Yeah, that's competitive integrity.“ 

And THIS shows, that you dont get it. I am only talking about the PUBLIC CASUAL playlist.

CASUAL <<< NOT RANKED.
CASUAL = FOR FUN.It is NOT COMPETITIVE. 

„And there we have it. Acknowledging that you are willing to Smurf to have things your own way tells me everything else that I need to know about what is fair in this game“ 

DO you know what SMURFING is?

smurfing means you play as a higher elo player in a lower rank elo. 

But there are NO VISIBLE ELOS IN PUBLIC?????

it is a CASUAL PLAYLIST. 
WITHOUT VISIBLE RANKS. 

my friends told me to make a new account so THEY dont have to play against master/pred over and over again. 

 

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @DeleteMMR

    "WHY are there 2 Playlists IF BOTH playlists do the exact same thing?"

    Just because they both use SBMM does NOT mean that they do the same thing. One playlist is for people who absolutely need to see how they measure up against other players, and one is for people who don't care how they measure up against other players. In neither case, says Respawn, is there any reason to let the best players have their way with enemies of significantly lower skill. Regardless of whether that prevents you from teaming with buddies.

    "They HAVE to be mixed in a CASUAL playlist. Otherwise you have TWO Ranked playlists."

    No, they don't. And no, you don't. Not sure how many ways I can keep explaining this one. At some point you have to acknowledge that even if you don't see the point, there must still be one. The alternative is that Respawn has maintained SBMM in an unranked playlist for five years through an oversight. Sure, if that's what you want to believe.

    "CASUAL = FOR FUN.It is NOT COMPETITIVE."

    This is your own personal take on the situation. Many people would agree with you. Many would not. Including, if I'm allowed to say it one more time, the developer.

    On a side note, pubs or ranked, the game remains the same. The objective (to win) remains the same. If you choose to play them differently then that's on you. One of them is not inherently more or less competitive than the other. The only playlist in this game that is inherently less competitive than any other is the firing range. Maybe you should take your friends there?

    "DO you know what SMURFING is?"

    I was always under the impression that it was the creation of an alternate account in order to temporarily fool SBMM into giving a lower skill lobby to a higher skill player. Maybe you kids mean something different these days.

    "my friends told me to make a new account so THEY dont have to play against master/pred over and over again."

    And the fact that you're doing it for their benefit somehow makes the act of slaughtering lower skilled players by the hundred a noble act? You keep telling yourself that.


    I'm really getting the impression that we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. But I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't be surprised if one day the developer finally does relent and create a truly random matched playlist just like you want. Other games have certainly tried it. I think it would be a worthwhile experiment. I also think that in the end that's all it would be. Probably short-lived and almost certainly, by any objective measure, a failure. But also, maybe not. History isn't always right.
    • reconzero's avatar
      reconzero
      Seasoned Ace
      2 years ago
      @DeleteMMR

      Saying it over and over and over again doesn't make it true.
    • wast3dspac3s_'s avatar
      wast3dspac3s_
      2 years ago

      Alright, I know I'm a little late on this, but I agree with the original statement. Hear me out now. I've been playing games since the early 2000's and my first online game I've played was Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. In that game it was CBMM! You were put up against any and everybody! Noobs to Pros! It was fun and actually CASUAL! The term casual literally means, "relaxed and unconcerned!" Just supposed to be laid back fun, but as time went on, more and more people randomly started to become wannabe pro players to the point Call of Duty themselves added a ranked playlist (the very game in my eyes that started casual FPS). I never played it because I was all about playing a VIDEO for 

      FUN! You know, that feeling you get when something makes you happy to be doing it? The very purpose for a CASUAL game or playlist was for players to have fun, but that got lost somewhere along the way. The thing is it's a little hard to play with friends to have fun when you're restricted to do so because of some weird parameters set for a game to be "fair". News flash, no such thing exists sadly. CBMM is probably the closest thing to it if I'm being unbiased. I'm a decent player myself if I do say so, I usually make it to high diamond and then quit because I don't have friends that's that high of skill level and then I just play something else like Minecraft lol. I literally quit Apex and Call of Duty because of this problem (even became a zombies player because none of my friends wanted to be in my sweaty lobbies due to this issue). They said they fixed that issue and brought back the old style ranked so I'm playing it again and they still haven't fixed that weird hidden MMR in a casual playlist :/ there's no point in having two playlists if it's the same thing technically. It's basically like buying soap, what's the point of buying one over the other if they both essentially do the same thing? Not saying all soaps are the same, but that's besides the point I'm trying to prove. Just no use in a casual playlist of you can't play it casually. It's just sweat no matter what these days. Playing games for actual fun when it comes to games like this is just non existent, so best bet is play another one IF you want to have fun nowadays.. like a single player game or one you know has an actual casual type of online experience. 

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