EA Nerf Wingman pls

@Alphabets DPS is not the only factor to show which weapon is OP. Lets see the old PK, which has only 88 DPS and we think it is broken while the joke mozabique has a higher DPS than PK (~95.25), yet we said this is a joke weapon.

One headshot of wingman can change the output of the fight directly, especially all other close-ranged weapons lost their headshot damage at a distance. One less shot is required to down a player if a headshot landed in almost all situations when using wingman, and this is the advantage of wingman which does not loss its headshot damage in all distances.

The battle pass skin may be a reason for the increasing number of player using wingman, but this problem (no damage falloff) always exists since the wingman is introduced, and I am not the first person who pointed out wingman should add a damage falloff like other guns.

If I need to improve my playstyle, I would act like the guy on top :"I stop fighting because I KNOW I will lose. I leave. It doesn't matter who it is". It is ridiculous for a pistol to win an AR while in a mid-range since this pistol can deal ~75 damage headshot (with helmet) to me even at that long range.

@Xx__Miku831__xX Well, if you are good and practice it really hard for a long time, then you probably become really good.
If you practice the Mozambique the same amount you could probably land 1 of the 3 bullets. That’s just being good at the game.

Most people don’t “main” a weapon, and are fairly flexible in what weapons they use.
40 m isn’t extremely difficult, but it isn’t sniping range, and you still have to have serious skill to use while strafing.
But this is the same argument I’ve made in previous posts.

@Xx__Miku831__xX The Mozam is extremely bad for anything other than point blank, thanks to the spread.
The PK was stronger than the Mozam because it had more range, you didn’t have to ADS, and was easier to use. The Mozam did have a higher dps, but you would need to hit all three shots and have hammerpoint in order to hit someone, and I guess nobody really tried it.

@Sir_Named Then back to the beginning question again, why wingman is so unique that only this gun does not lose headshot damage beyond 36m while other SMGs/Pistols does? If you said since it is hard to land a headshot, then it is the same with the RE45 and the mozabique.

Wingman, or pistols, they are not supposed to fight long range, just like the SMGs. They took away the 2-4x and 3x scope from the SMGs, as people spam shots in long-range in season 2, that makes ARs pretty useless at that moment. Now it is almost the same for wingman, with much more advantage to fight in short range, and it still have good chance to win in the battle that beyond 36m (supposed that you have similar skills to the opponent). Not only you can deal full headshot damage to the opponent when shooting from a long range, but you can
also spam shots since it has a lower bullet consumption among all other guns. This shows that wingman really needs to change.

@Sir_Named I wouldn't say that, I would say 80% of my deaths are to the R99. Maybe that's just what I get killed by and not everyone is the same but in most games all I hear is brrrrrrrrrrrr spraying R99's.

@xx_Dante2k_xx
(That was a response to my thing about not “maining” a weapon, right?)
Other than recoil, there isn’t much to it, and the Prowler is similar in dps and stuff.

@Xx__Miku831__xX Probably doesn’t lose headshot damage at 36+ meters because it’s a hand cannon.
ARs are still very useful.
The Wingman isn’t forgiving if you miss shots, plus they did reduce the mag a while back.
But I seriously don’t feel like continuing this. We’re going in circles. I’ll check back some other time, or @ me if you have anything new.

@Sir_Named But it is way less common to see and isn't a weapon that is over used.
Wraith = Sweat.... R99 = sweat it's all Apex is atm .

@HLNorsemane You keep saying "Wingman is hard to snipe with" but you are wrong.

Think about it - it ISN'T ALL JUST SCOPES. It is strafe speed, recoil, bullet damage, bullet speed, reload speed etc.

The wingman does not have ADS slow down, so if a wingman and an AR or Sniper hit it off - the sniper and AR have immense slow down speeds (AR 50%, Sniper 34% - These are how much you have, not how much gets removed) Wingman and all pistols have 100% ads movement speed. So now that a wingman user can strafe back and forth without penalty, he becomes MUCH harder to hit when the sniper/ar user can't move that fast. The scope does not always help - I run all my sniper rifles with a 2x-4x scope because it is EASIER. I hate the sniper scopes - it honestly makes it harder. Therefore, scopes alone is not a good enough argument about "wingman is harder to snipe with".

I am not even finished here either. If you know anything about physics, you know F=ma. Force is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by the acceleration of the object. A pistol bullet is MUCH smaller than a sniper bullet. It is also traveling MUCH slower than a sniper bullet. When both bullets travel over great distances, you have things like gravity and friction slowing them down. The wingman bullet already has a smaller force leaving the barrel of the gun - this bullet will have a MUCH smaller force when landing on its target far away. Not only that - it will have MUCH higher bullet drop distance. However, I see NONE of that in this game. So to say that snipers should have damage fall off.. just where are you getting that from? its all physics man. And this game has physics engines, so lets stick with physics.

Again, I have more. You say snipers pack the most damage per bullet, yes because they are bigger bullets and travel faster.



I present all my points due to the fact this game is a battle royal. It is bad enough the fights can be heard from across the map. If this was a die-spawn-die-spawn type of game, I wouldn't really care.

But when I have a G7 and they have a wingman, I SHOULD have the upper hand but I do not because of the reasons mentioned.



This gun can be easily fixed too -
- Decrease bullet speed
- Decrease bullet drop off. Bullets will drop at much shorter distances
- Add damage fall off
- Reduce fire rate
- Add recoil


I mean, it needs some work and this whole "LeTs JuSt ReDuCe ThE mAgAzInE sIzE" is getting old. Its like that is the only way EA knows how to nerf any gun.