Fair solution to the leaver situation in casual

@Midnight9746 

Yeah that would work in terms of minimizing the "game spoiling" of leavers getting teamed with people who wanna stay. But the problem is with that type of solution is that nothing of players attitude and toxicity would change. Another similar solution would simply be a checkbox : "allow leaving", and if you check it, you will be teamed with other players who checked it and if you leave it unchecked, you will be teamed with other players like that and you cant leave early.

But I guess my main focus with my proposal was to kinda break the endless circle of bad behavior by creating natural incentives for people to act better as a team player  by having to take the consequences of their behavior.  Because I objectively dont think its a very good sign about the health of a game when the average normal match has 50% of all squads eliminated within 2 minutes where 90% of the eliminated players are early leavers. Its not a good sign that it means NO consequences at all to play super aggressively and trying to 1v3 only because you know you can just insta-leave and be in a new game 10 seconds later.

But who knows, maybe the majority of the player base actually WANTS this culture. If thats so, this proposal wouldnt have any effect since people wouldnt care if both his teammates showed 10/10... But perhaps many people are in my shoes, i.e I WANT to be a good team player and stay but the current culture of go solo-die-leave-jump into next game almost forces me to also act this way to maximize my fun. Take the first image I posted as an example: What should I do when a player runs off like that? If I rush to his aid, I will probably get punished since he will just leave, give them his loot and put me in a 2v3 or even 1v3 situation. So because of this culture, I SHOULD just let him die, quit and mind my own business and I think that is not the optimal incentives for a healthy game environment. 

And just for the record; I wouldn't care at all about the behavior in pubs if Respawn fixed Ranked mode =)

@Balladalidilawe already have a toxic environment fueled by the so called matchmaking, this is the main reason ppl will likely quit !
Was not the case before they introduced that * around season 7 and it got worse by the seasons to come.

We had no unfilled lobbies to begin with, like it is now the case for every 3rd game. Why should i play a 2v3 or even 1v3  from the start when Respawn isnt able to fix that for 5 Seasons ? i just quit that lobby and requeue , bcs i know if it isnt fix by now its on intention and i have to take matters in my own hands !
Do you think its funny to get matched up with ppl that cannot pull of the easiest tasks for 100 games in a row ? That what makes the game toxic, wasnt the case up until season 7 !

But hey , im all in mixing me up with the leavers, then my chances of getting a mate that actually knows how to play will just start rising.
Its like with cigarette smokers, they got banned from every restaurant, bar, club, airplane and have to gather in "ghettos" now if they want to light one, which resulted in getting to know a lot of likeminded ppl while standing outside and the nonsmokers got bored inside because now they are out of the loop , muahhaha.
Meanwhile some of the nonsmokers now come outside willingly  to be part of the "cool kids" again.

@r1ggedgame 

Some early quits I understand. Sometimes, I see a random teammates get pushed by three enemies at the same time, using a Octane pad or something. I try to get to him when he knocks two of them and cracks the third and then get knocked and instantly executed... Then I actually have a full understanding he wants to leave. Likewise, I understand that people are insta-leaving when their teammate plays extremely safe and NEVER goes up to the front of the fight. I hate when I am closest to the enemies thus getting all shots fired at me; I knock one, heals, knocks the second, tries to heal again and then gets pushed by the third and get killed.. If I then start to spectate my teammates and I see that both my teammate still sits far back and cowardly peaks and re-peaks the same corner with full purple armors with 10% of my damage dealt, then I will leave.

But its not those situation I am talking about; I am mainly talking about the culture of always leaving literally immediately when you are knocked in the middle of a team fight even if you sucked in that fight or playing extremely recklessly because nothing stops you from leaving immediately when you die.  Those situations has nothing to do with the matchmaking; those situations have only to do with the early leaving culture. 

And yes, if you are above average, like Diamond4, 1.8-2.6 KDish, then you will usually be teamed with less skilled teammates than you. I am also in that position. I dont even remember the last time I got carried to a win. If I am not hard carrying, I am about on the same level as the other teammates.  But apart from the occasional Duo or trio premade masters/preds you sometime run into, its the same for everyone. You cant blame the matchmaking because if you are so much better than your teammates, then it means you are so much better than the average opponent too.

@Balladalidilai beg to differ on your last part, i dont believe in the Ranks anymore when you get so called diamond and even master players in your team , that you easily outdamage, outkill ect.
and that didnt happen only once but a couple of times.Maybe they got hard carried  and tried to solo for once and realized they are not as good as their rank might suggest.
Hidden MMR is such a rigged system. Why wont they tell how it actually works, why dont they show you your actual MMR  ? Because it could be rigged ? Then its not a good system and is rigged to begin with or they use it to purposefully boost certain players without others taking notice ... like some millionairs kid wants to have the fancy rank and pays big time for it and we know EA is all about the benjamins !
And when i get those low tier mates im not thrown into same ranked lobbies but instead  the Heaven is filled with fancy divetrails, which leads excatly to the behavior you are describing in your 1st post my mates just quitting !
Have you seen the influx of post in here, regarding the matchmaking and penalty system ? Dude, Respawn * up bigtime but they wont acknowledge it.
It maybe is working for a small minority in the upper echelons eg. Master/Pred but it is broken for pretty much everyone else.
Also how they react to discussions about those topics is very strange and just fuels the suspicions some ppl might have :
I was having a nice discussion with another forum member about the technical side of the MM and we exchanged links to EA Patents over this board and guess what happend ... admins deleted the whole thing !
Maybe they really have something to hide, EA has a history of pulling shady tricks on their playerbase.

@r1ggedgame 

I think you misunderstood  my meaning. Ofc a players rank is not an absolute measure of that players skills. Some get carried by premade smurfs, some hide and avoid fight and just puts alot of hours to reach a certain rank. I just used Diamond as an example to picture a player above average. Lets formulate it this way then: A player that fight and kills his ways to diamond, i.e never hides and plays strategically but always goes for every fight and get his majority of RPs from kill points, is for certain above average skilled compared to the whole player base.

And what I mean was that IF you actually are an above average skilled player, you WILL get worse teammates most of your casual games, but your enemy players will also be worse than you most of your games. I think the causal skill based matchmaking is quite non-existent which makes the average causal lobby reflect the overall player skill base distribution of the player base. This means that if you are below average to average skilled, then you will have a harder time in the matchmaking and therefore would benefit from a stricter SBMM and I think its actually those kind of players players who you see complain about the matchmaking (many of them not even realizing they are average or worse but think they are pros held back by their bad teammates).  But if you are above average skilled, then you will also be above average skilled in the causal matchmaking and therefore benefits from NOT having a strict SBMM and therefore think that the current matchmaking is fine (like I do)

@BalladalidilaThe “average causal lobby reflect” as you call it applies to most of the lobbies but there are some outliers which definitely don’t fit that profile.

Let’s say I’ve been in 10 of those random lobbies but my performance was quite poor. Then I get into a lobby which is significantly easier than an average lobby. This is the type of lobby where I should perform really well and most of the time this is also the case. But afterwards the matchmaking system overcompensates and puts me in lobbies that mainly represent the top 5-10% of the playerbase. This is the type of lobby that is most definitely NOT an average or random lobby. And I remain there for +/- 5 games before I drop back to an average lobby.

There is no good reason (that I know of) to put me in those high tier lobbies for that amount of time other than being fed to top tier players. Not saying that I should never be in those kind of lobbies, but despite the fact that it’s not randomized it’s also not fair skill-wise. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

@Solim66 

I totally agree that it sometimes feels exactly the way you describe, i.e that you sometimes are placed in a "bot lobby" as a consolation prize for having a couple of bad games in a row. But I think people in general should be a little bit cautious when drawing such conclusion about the matchmaking. How hard or easy a lobby "feels" like for one player can depend many variables that you are not in control over; which squads in the lobby gets eliminated early, which squads your squad runs into etc etc... 

If you really want to investigate these kinds of matchmaking patterns, you should play multiple consecutive matches with exact the same behavior pattern, like ALWA YS drop at hottest, most crowded drop location etc.. 

 But it strange though because I am NEVER placed in the so called "pred lobbies" that you are referring to. I can win 3-4 matches in a row and I see max 4-5 pred trails, 10-15 ish diamond trails in my matches

@Balladalidilathis might be your experience, but mine is a bit different.
I see myself as THE average player i case of performance,but i get way below average mates in above average lobbies most of the time. I dont mind being in challenging lobbies, but then gimme at least mates that can match half of my dmg output and have some tactic basics , can keep up with the pace and not lootmachines.
From personal experience i can say, this was way more balanced in the past, it began right about that time when the lobbies started to be not filled up properly, something i never experienced up until Season 8 and getting worse every season since.

And donated wins by sending me in lower tier lobbies isnt satisfying , havin 2-3K dmg while my mates still not able to get above 500, carrying them over the finish line feels like getting a medal for 4th place ... id rather loose matches with tryhards than win matches with bots.

@r1ggedgame 

I think both of us would benefit if Respawn implemented some transparency to the game (which this thread really is about). Because we are both just basing our opinion on what  we experience.  I think it would help and calm everyone if the game displayed  stats like this after your squad is eliminated:  This would take away all speculations and blaming on SBMM and it would also give some consolation for those who actually got killed by someone much better.