Gun Recoil
Where is it at? Every player who can beam me from 100 meters with a 99 has ZERO recoil. Almost everyone i watch even good pros have zero recoil. This is virtually impossible to not see some kind of s...
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"miss a lot of your shots" That is definitively, demonstrably false, considering my Apex matches aren't hallucinations. I frequently use the R-99, and due to the camera adjustment, I experience little to no recoil even if I hold down the trigger with a level 3 extended mag. It is not uncommon for me to instantly down other players because I managed to hit them with every single bullet in the magazine. Your graph appears to display the unmitigated recoil, which means those are the alleged recoil patterns without any mechanical intervention from the input source (player or 3rd party program), which is irrelevant because not adjusting the camera per shot would be a hopelessly ineffective way to play a first-person shooter because of moving targets.
So, I'm not sure what you mean by "harder" recoil patterns. What I am saying is that there needs to be a combination of vertical AND horizontal recoil, obviously with a reasonable magnitude, so that players like me that take advantage of every last dust spec mechanic don't just automatically roll over casual players. I play Xbox and have played on PC and I don't use cheats, macros, or any 3rd party programs. It's just my natural gameplay, yet I have been reported for cheating numerous times, which I can usually predict when I land every last bullet in my magazine into moving target. The mechanics need to be improved. As for your point about range making it more difficult to laser people, that's kind of a red herring because that has nothing to do with recoil. That's bullet spread.
Also, I think you may be misinterpreting my intentions. I wasn't defending professional gamers or streamers by trying to suggest that they laser their targets because they are all fantastic at the game. What I was trying to do was explain that not every single instance of getting beamed by an R-99 is the result of cheating, but could be the result of a player that is utilizing otherwise poor game mechanics that need to be changed. Said players including myself.
@SugaryJuice wrote:"miss a lot of your shots" That is definitively, demonstrably false, considering my Apex matches aren't hallucinations. I frequently use the R-99, and due to the camera adjustment, I experience little to no recoil even if I hold down the trigger with a level 3 extended mag. It is not uncommon for me to instantly down other players because I managed to hit them with every single bullet in the magazine. Your graph appears to display the unmitigated recoil, which means those are the alleged recoil patterns without any mechanical intervention from the input source (player or 3rd party program), which is irrelevant because not adjusting the camera per shot would be a hopelessly ineffective way to play a first-person shooter because of moving targets.
So, I'm not sure what you mean by "harder" recoil patterns. What I am saying is that there needs to be a combination of vertical AND horizontal recoil, obviously with a reasonable magnitude, so that players like me that take advantage of every last dust spec mechanic don't just automatically roll over casual players. I play Xbox and have played on PC and I don't use cheats, macros, or any 3rd party programs. It's just my natural gameplay, yet I have been reported for cheating numerous times, which I can usually predict when I land every last bullet in my magazine into moving target. The mechanics need to be improved. As for your point about range making it more difficult to laser people, that's kind of a red herring because that has nothing to do with recoil. That's bullet spread.
Also, I think you may be misinterpreting my intentions. I wasn't defending professional gamers or streamers by trying to suggest that they laser their targets because they are all fantastic at the game. What I was trying to do was explain that not every single instance of getting beamed by an R-99 is the result of cheating, but could be the result of a player that is utilizing otherwise poor game mechanics that need to be changed. Said players including myself.
You can talk as much as you want, the graphic does not lie. There is not only vertical recoil, which is what you said, this is a fact, The graph speaks for myself.
As far as the long distance - it makes big difference, its kick a lot harder and its way harder to keep it on the target.
This is our problem lasering people from 100+ meters with R99, which is because people are using no-recoil macros/script, even the pro players, that was proven.
You are a Xbox player, its totally different you have * aim assist, which is a OP joke and everyone know this.
- You are a Xbox player, its totally different you have * aim assist, which is a OP joke and everyone know this.
So consoles having aim assist is OP? Everyone on console is in the same boat so they all have aim assist. Aiming is so much quicker and easier on PC hence consoles having aim assist. It doesn't automatically give you a free kill.
Also if pro players and streamers abused macros etc its would be blatantly obvious and they would be banned. Prove they are doing this.@xx_Dante2k_xxThey would not be banned because in theory it is actually not programs that the company would consider something to do what it does. As Hal for example. He openly leaves his G-hub open which control this for his machine. These programs are also DPI on mouse controlling programs. So to detect it can happen but the use for it can not. I need to prove nothing when its open source videos all over for you to go watch. You never wondered how these "pro" players never ever go off recoil patterns no matter the distance? If you have not wondered this then your sleeping and blind. Go watch yourtube videos of people who openly show how to use this and then tell me over half the population is not using it. In fact my very own friends use it just for this purpose. It tricks the computer into thinking the controller is the main source in reality the keyboard and mouse is and has aim assist.
For 100 bucks for XIM you can be a apex god recoil means nothing with Xim flash drive. This is the problem. If i die i wanna ensure i die to legit fair game play players. Not horrible players needing assistance with their aim.
- @E9ine_AC It sounds like a video game is taken to seriously then. So pro's aren't really Pro's they are just advanced cheaters.
What is the world coming to? I honestly give up if people really stoop that low and admit to cheating. Why the F do people watch these guys and support the not so pro scene.
I'm pretty sure the YouTube guys I watch don't use this stuff. I play the game for fun, to get away from normal life crap and when video games aren't fun I would rather not bother.
You kidding right ?
How many times i need to place a video for you?
Watch the whole clip, but 2:27 is enough, tho later there is plenty of obvious ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H141bo8Ccg4
You going to tell me this isn`t a macro for single fire mode?
Some people may hide it well, but its obvious on a lot of them.Go watch Hal stream, he didn`t even hide his G-hub.
Shroud was using macro for single fire and no recoil as well. There was a whole video about it.
I`m not a waiter, you have google and youtube.Ohhh you know just bumping a lost cause.
- @xx_Dante2k_xx Aim assist on console is no where near as strong as it is on pc so its not the same at all. Its like 3 time stronger on pc and if you don't use target compensation on console which influences look behaivor to move slightly slower when aiming at a target and increases look/turn speed in the direction the target moves and lowers it in the direction they move away from you would play like dog s###. Controller simply don't have the fine controll to play without. Except the razor wolverine but that has agile and focus so it doesn't count.
Your "graphic" is irrelevant since the mechanics it refers to are easily mitigated by player compensation. If your actual complaint is that people are using 3rd party resources, then that's cheating, and you need to make a post about cheating.
Also, your point about aim assist is fallacious, since literally everyone has it. There is a reason for aim assist on consoles, and that is because of the restricted input motion that comes with using a joystick, essentially making the player a second-hand input source, instead of a hand-sensor (mouse) which directly inputs the player's exact hand motions.
After 5 seasons, I've quit the game because of this exact issue, and the lack of acknowledgement or action by the devs. It's gone on too long, I'm tired of waiting and arguing with mindless idiots on the Internet about the fact that it even exists etc.
I've only come back in here to say I'm having a LOT more fun playing Warzone than this bs, and that says a lot. Yes, they're different games, yes, Apex's movement is unrivalled, etc.. But this game doesn't F with you and your self esteem like Apex does actively.
And also, importantly (for those that claim we're all salty and that cheating doesn't happen as much as we say etc), I'm spectating my killers on Warzone too, and have only died to ONE anti-recoil cheater so far. Why? Probably because they actually have a team that gives a * about it, and they actually have a "report" button. Apex took away the report option on PS4 16 MONTHS AGO ffs, and it's still gone.
Pointless game, in a pointless state. And above all else, it's just really very sad - because I honestly adore the game. I just never have fun any more, and I haven't for a year.
I played one final game the other day; died. Spectated my killer who was using anti-recoil. He died, so I spectated HIS killer who was using anti-recoil, and when he died (yup, there's a pattern here).. That was the final nail in the coffin for me. Well, that, and having an "official warning" on this forum for telling a self-confessed cheater to quit cheating or quit the game. The guy basically said "the more you spend on your computer equipment, the more entitled you are to use macros/cheat in games" etc. Needless to say, he's brainless and entitled, as are all those who agree with him or defend that stance.
Anyway, the tl;dr:
We've simply been overrun, and the best way to fix it, is to leave all the cheaters * with/over each other whilst giggling in a big, wet circle singing Kumbaya until the game we loved dies.
- @littlxr Pretty much same for me I have spent thousands on this game it self. I will no longer support a company who will not support player demand. Im going on a week of not logging in at all and i can honestly say im ok with it. I have tried my hardest to plea with the staff on this issue to be ignored completely after 7 pages of complaints and acknowledgement from the players they also have serious issue with this. But appears the staff is 100% allowing us to bypass the games biggest mechanic with out being even looked at. Imagine how many "Aim Botters" You have banned using this. Or vice versa as you cant tell who is aim bot who is using scripts cause i guess they too lazy to spectate said person after xxx many reports. This companies exploit team is a joke from what i can tell. I am ashamed to call them a exploit team me being on these teams over 10 years we would 100% take action against such a bypass. Well played Apex well played. As long as you allow these cheats be prepared to watch your game die slowly but surely from players wanting one thing. EQUAL GAME PLAY FOR ALL!!!
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