Gun Recoil

Ain`t going to happen. More people are using all kind of cheats now. Most pro/streamers are using no-recoil macros/scripts, and the controller players are using either a SP or Cronusmax and its version. The second one can be done wireless, its add stronger aim assist and no-recoil. It can`t be detected, even if you stream with a hand cam straight at your controller.

There is youtubers that are pretty much advertise it, and are still playing to this days, without getting banned, yet there is putting content with it, just lol.

The problem is not just in Apex Legends, but through the whole FPS genre, but doing nothing is not a good decision.

Yesterday a player in Warzone was caught cheating in a tournament. And it was caught cheating not by anti-cheat, but a fellow streamer get susp and do the trick.

And the guy that cheated was a World-record holder, streamer of course. Did you think he is the only one? In Warzone atm is worst. Everyone on controller is on something.

Apex is pretty much the same. 

Easy cheats on console, easy cheat on PC.

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@thefalconbeta wrote:
@LordloshBangI completely agree, but how would Respawn fix this? I have been playing since day one (literally) and from what I can tell the game itself can't check controller inputs, so the only way that Respawn could moderate this would be getting access to the host systems files and Xbox and pc wouldn't do that and Ps4... forgot it we all know that that Sony is a snob when it comes to people touching their stuff.

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Thats why you need to have harsh position from the beginning. The game right now is floated with hacks, and good luck cleaning it up. They won`t even try, cause huge % of the playerbase is hacking. And they will lose a lot of playerbase. Its a lost cause. Its full with macros/scripters, soft cheats, hard cheats, and controller cheats as well.

Good luck with that.

 

 

Same thing as with any sports = pro level that is -> whatever it takes.

My suggestion for people who are actually good at this / know all this macro thing etc. would be just upkeeping a topic be it here or on Reddit or any other platform with the most up-to-date "developments".

In other words, if "pros" use such things to negate recoil, let's make Apex a recoil-free game and then see who is an actual pro aka who's brain, movement, mechanics is the best...

Otherwise as said earlier developers, streamers, etc. are not interested in getting involved, they all profit from this "feature" just because most of the naive players/followers/part of the community is just not aware and dump money to support their idols or to improve their game. Only people "suffering" here are the ones who actually want to experience this game as it suppose to be - with recoil and mastering recoil patterns as much as possible - which would be comparable to the amateur level in sports where people show 1/2 or even 1/3 of the pro results yet that is the natural peak of human performance.

@Eshshshssthe good macros are paid with monthly sub, cause they are updating them probably, to be undetected. The ones at the top use cheats/macros/etc that worth a lot of money, and we can`t even imagine how smooth they are.
The cheats we are looking at youtube, and so on, this are all 20$ cheats or free cheats.
There is plenty of talks about CS:GO pros and the cheats they are using. Most say they are worth thousands of K.
I know a lot of people in discord who are openly talk about it, and that they are using macros or Strike Pack and Cronus related stuffs.
There is even some new for controller, don`t know the exact name, night something or so.
There is also Apex Xim, that a lot of people are using, now in COD and Apex there is a new wave with smooth Silent aimbot, X-ray, 100% undetected ESP and this guy is running youtube channel and Respawn are doing nothing. :D
He also have a huge group in Discord btw. There is also like hundreds of cheat forums for Apex and COD, with thousands of reply and threads with 50-100k views, which can just tell you how much of the playerbase is using.
Blatant ones are obviously going to get banned, but the ones that cover it well, are not.

As far as the streamer supporters and their fanbase, what you expect from 12 years old ?
WAGNIFICENT a COD streamer was shadow banned, when Warzone finally start detecting the EngineOwning cheat, and the guy was banned with the exact same error msg, as everyone who was using it. This was also his second ban on Warzone. And he was so call permanent HW banned. Every new account straight up shadow banned, and he 100% was cheating with EngineOwning.
But Activision HW ban last between 7-14 days, after that you are free to play on new Acc ..... And guess what happen? :D His brain ..... fanbase still defended him, that he was falsely banned, and they were all over on Activision Twitter account raging to unban him. :D
So what did you expect, tell me? :D
Just look at BadBoy Beaman channel. He is exposing Pro/Streamers on Warzone.
Should i mention that by that time, when Activision finally detected EngineOwning, and let me be correct at this exact time, somehow and in the exact same time their golden boy content creator/pro get his account stolen, and you know the picture. :D
And every single time i heard someone that do impossible thing, and move like madman, spin his mouse like a wheel, and have no-recoil whatsoever i remember about this famous guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A63Td6qeyc
But, but he is just good at the game, he is just good at controlling the recoil. Its that simple. :D
In a free game with no real IP/HW bans, cheating is always going to be a HUGE problem. You are pretty much doing nothing by banning people. They are back in the next 5 minutes on a new acc.

@E9ine_AC 

"To cheat on console is a very very hard task to do."

You have seen what strike packs do correct?

@Irres169there was a time where there was pretty much no cheats/hacks on Playstation, and players were legit. This time is over tho.
And the main problem is that its not just Strike Pack, but many more devices that do the work.

And bro on discord there is so many people who openly saying they are using Cronus or SP and they are even arguing with you, that this ain`t cheating, and see how they pretty much do nothing, and if they kill you, its because they are better. And this kids are so sure of its, they make themselves fully believing that they aren`t cheating, and they are good in the game ...

As said before I am not very interested not experienced on the cheating topic - I just never believed "miracles" and just accused all who were significantly better than me :D

But my idea about this support board would be that if there are some helpful tools that are fee + not getting you banned at least right away, say usable for at least a season, that would be good info to have and give so-called "pros" run for the money. People who usually get into platinum and above fairly easily could just use those for a while and see how fast they can progress into the next tiers and how competitive or non-competitive they would be there.

Sure there will always be "kids" and fanboys who will:

A) use cheats

B) support (blindly) cheaters and non-cheaters alike

but that's not the part we should be worried about given in many cases those kids would still mainly remain at <gold level.

E.g. now with season 9 I am struggling so much getting out of the pool because some level 30-50 kid one-mags me every second game or I am getting matched with 2 people/friend nub team who don't teamwork and get me into fast 1 vs 3 for the majority of game. Maybe I am becoming worse but season 8 was much easier and I almost reached plat 2 (my highest so far).

Yet after gold level, I feel that those kids even with cheats can't beat 3 well thinking and playing teams which probably pisses them off and they create new accounts or start to cheat so bluntly that they (hopefully) get banned much more frequently.

To sum up, my vision of this experiment would be to see how "legit" platinum and above level players with say macros stack vs guys who are usually in pred level. Of course, fanboys would still say "hey those platinum guys are clearly using macros given their support board, etc." at the same time it would definitely affect pros as there would be much less content to show off assuming now they would not have those crazy 2,3,4 K games with 10+ kills even on highest levels.

p.s. for a person who uses their brains it is fairly easy to say who is up to no good actually without watching any gameplay footage e.g. one day I bumped into one very popular streamer who organized some sort of a fan vote participation in a competition (fans who have subs forced his team to play certain legends) and the dude with his teammates in a live stream already discussed the next "challenges". And then a phrase comes up "sure I am up for it, I earned more than in my previous cup win". I am amazed how those subs/fanboys still watch that * after that when a person clearly states that he/she will do whatever for that sum of money and surely I would too given figures were in the 25k per month zone.

I have noticed hacks that clearly hide the player's ID from the Server, How do you know? See if you can view the team that killed your team, If it switches you to another team then that team is hacking and is concealing their ID from the server thus why the server cant identifies the team even existing in the server lobby so they can't even be banned. This is why you have to do a video of the hacker and send it indirectly, What server and What time it happens so they can trace it. The reason they can not do anything about it is that they can not find the player on the server. The player is blank, hidden, or doesn't even exist. It seems that points gained are separated from occupying the server. Honestly, I do not know how they gain points and remain anonymous but it is a very bad code that they need to fix and the hacker that takes advantage of this that creates the hack has found it very useful.