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F1YBYN1GHT's avatar
F1YBYN1GHT
5 years ago

Horizon is the most OP ever

Hey Apex Fam Horizon has been running rampant for nearly two whole seasons now and she’s is by far the most op character to ever come out. I play with the number 1 horizon on console and watch video...
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CompleatBeet's avatar
CompleatBeet
5 years ago

All they should do is test increasing the cooldown of her gravity lift again, or very minor nerfs to her strafing. If they overdo it Horizon will be useless. Her other abilities are just not great and she is genuinely the best thing to ever happen to Apex.

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LordloshBang
5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6P7lv5oZrE&t=431s

I don`t see how exactly she will be useless. Some people just love to be on the train on the most broken legends as far as possible, and saying they are fine. :D
No they are not fine.

Her passive is super strong, her ult is super strong(OP in a lot of situation, and you can throw it in a ridiculous huge amount of distance).
But her Tactical is the most broken thing this game has ever seen.

Straight away remove healing, as Pathfinder and Wraith can`t heal while on their tactical, and Horizon should not be able to do so. Nerf the accuracy while airborne. Nerf the strafing as well.

For god sake this ain`t a Hyper Scape to fight in the cosmos, oh sorry i mean the sky, and to constantly Vertical Tracking + ridiculous hard to hit(even from Pros) Air strafes.

And even after all of this nerf, she is still going to be super Strong, S tier for sure.

The biggest advantage in this game - High ground, and she can take high of a high ground for god sake. Her lift is going really high. Its a great reposition tool, taking high ground, and still can be used as a semi-disengage ability.

Lets not forget she has small .... hitbox, and still doesn`t have LP on her.


At the end of the day this is a shooter, not a League of Legends ... Power Creep on ability should stop, or better reverse it !!!

  • TuxTart116's avatar
    TuxTart116
    5 years ago

    @LordloshBang But then we have the issue of why play horizon? The gravity lift, provides no extra movement when talking about simply moving across terrain, removing heals and nerfing strafe, kinda ruins the idea of the gravity lift, so why play horizon if I can play wraith and actually be able to leave

    • LordloshBang's avatar
      LordloshBang
      5 years ago
      @TuxTart116 wrote:

      @LordloshBang But then we have the issue of why play horizon? The gravity lift, provides no extra movement when talking about simply moving across terrain, removing heals and nerfing strafe, kinda ruins the idea of the gravity lift, so why play horizon if I can play wraith and actually be able to leave

      Didn`t you watch the video i post?

      Albralelie its exactly right. Its literally what Devs have said, and then they released Horizon ....

      As far as the question why play here? Simply enough. You still have top passive, you still have ultimate that you can pretty much get a triple kill with zero mechanical skill involved(to not even said zero skill at all), and without even draw your weapon wow.


      You still have 1 of the best tactical, that sends you to the cosmos, and can give you High ground in absolutely every fight out there, not only that, but to your entire team, and then disappear, unlike Pathy grapple for example.

      You still can use it for reposition, disengage and even escape mechanism.

      But healing while riding this ..... ain`t fair for anyone, and takes zero skill, and shouldn`t be allowed.

      At the end of the day this is a shooter game, and when you are about to die, cause someone is better than you, outplay you or so, you shouldn't be able to pop a panic key(Q) and get away with it. Same with Wraith players, that was all over the place, when they remove the insta Q, which was ridiculous.

      Guess what good players adapt, and weak ones that were abusing this, and was pretty much straight up charge on you, and riding a totally broken mechanics for way too long, and when they were losing the 1on1 fight, they just press Q and were magically saved.

      Again high ground, and even in Horizon case, its send you straight to the heaven and you really can take absolutely anything which is another ridiculous thing, but anyway if you and the team you are fighting is pretty much equally skilled, given that you have high ground, you should be able to win that fight 100% of the time. Even if they are a bit better than you, you should still be able to win the majority of the time, cause of the high ground. Its really a day and night difference, if you know what you are doing.

      • TuxTart116's avatar
        TuxTart116
        5 years ago

        @LordloshBang Horizon does have one of the best tactical, but in my opinion that's how horizon should be played, A defensive but also attack based legend, there are easy ways to counter, such as cryptos emp, a wraith teleport and even some good gunplay can be useful against her, im not saying horizon doesnt need a nerf, she definetly does, but I think we need to carefully look at the meta, before we erase abilities that make a legend good

    • KissYourHomieUw's avatar
      KissYourHomieUw
      5 years ago
      @TuxTart116 pathfinder, octane and wraith all has ability for repositioning but here is the problem: they are all ultimate and have visible downside: Wraith is completely defendless when portaling, Octane and Path leave their tool behind so everyone can use it but most importantly, they lose accuracy when using it and actually loud as hell
      horizon on the other hand, can lift your whole team from king canyon to olympus in no time, audio is bugged to non existence at all and packed so much ultilities: you can heal on it, shoot people from it, block small entry/doorway with it or a panic "oh shjt" button when fighting other. she is so op to the point of absolutely toxic to play against. both world record of damage done and kill was all thanks to her insanely powerful arsenal. she must get a hard nerf or im done playing this game next season
      • CompleatBeet's avatar
        CompleatBeet
        5 years ago

        They should nerf her tactical by doing something like:

        - Reduce the duration of the gravity lift by a very short amount

        - Remove 100% accuracy while going up the lift but keep the accuracy while floating at the top

        - Reduce the distance that Legends can rotate around in while using the lift


        Taking away the ability to heal on it would be a terrible nerf.

  • CompleatBeet's avatar
    CompleatBeet
    5 years ago

    @LordloshBang This shooter is movement based so I have to disagree.

    Horizon’s only strong ability is her Tactical. Her Passive doesn’t have much impact and neither does her Black Hole: it’s too easy to escape and has a small radius. Horizon is supposed to be a movement Legend and if they take that aspect away by nerfing her into the ground she quite literally will become useless.

    • LordloshBang's avatar
      LordloshBang
      5 years ago
      @CompleatBeet wrote:

      @LordloshBang This shooter is movement based so I have to disagree.

      Horizon’s only strong ability is her Tactical. Her Passive doesn’t have much impact and neither does her Black Hole: it’s too easy to escape and has a small radius. Horizon is supposed to be a movement Legend and if they take that aspect away by nerfing her into the ground she quite literally will become useless.

      Thats completely untrue. And every pro player out there can disagree with you. Her passive is super strong. Her ultimate is super strong, require zero to no skill, the hole is big and can shrink the whole team in it, and you can get a triple kill without even pulling your weapon.

      I don`t know if we are playing the same game to say that its too easy to escape or that it has small radius. If you throw it right and do the right stuff after its your win.

      GO watch last ShivFPS stream for example, they manage to kill Tufi with it. Thats speak for itself how strong her ulty is.

      Its movement based, but its still a shooter. Every FPS game have movement mechanics.

      You can disagree all you want, but that doesn`t mean a thing. Its my opinion.


      And the suggestion i make are 100% fair to her, and she will be still S tier and super strong.

      What is not fair is to act like all is okay, its a casual problem, where all the Pro are saying she is out of her mind, and totally broken.

      Just like the Wraith players, that were abusing a totally broken and OP legends, and saying she is fine, Horizon main are doing the same now.

      The stuffs you can do with her is just ridiculous.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM1SlCJxNIU

      You should not be able to heal while on her lift, you should have accuracy penalty, and her strafing in the air should 100% be nerfed.

      And then she would be fair.

      You will still be able to get every high ground, and that alone gives you huge advantage. You can push everything with her tactical/ult, and take the enemy team high ground advantage, which is still super wrong(having in mid they want positioning to have impact in the game, yet they release Horizon, their balancing team is garbage), you still could get away from battle, pop a battery(like everyone else) and come back.

      Sorry but when something is completely broken its broken. You can`t say black to white.

      The equivalent to her being able to heal, should be pathy to automatically pop a battery when he use grapple, same on Wraith phase, Bangalore to become invisible in her smoke and automatically pop a battery, Mirage to pop a battery while invisible, Octane to auto-heal when he use his stim, Wattson to fully regen on her ultimate and you get the picture.

      And yeah this is shooter, not LOL or Dota.