Horizon is the most OP ever
Hey Apex Fam Horizon has been running rampant for nearly two whole seasons now and she’s is by far the most op character to ever come out. I play with the number 1 horizon on console and watch video...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6P7lv5oZrE&t=431s
I don`t see how exactly she will be useless. Some people just love to be on the train on the most broken legends as far as possible, and saying they are fine. :D
No they are not fine.
Her passive is super strong, her ult is super strong(OP in a lot of situation, and you can throw it in a ridiculous huge amount of distance).
But her Tactical is the most broken thing this game has ever seen.
Straight away remove healing, as Pathfinder and Wraith can`t heal while on their tactical, and Horizon should not be able to do so. Nerf the accuracy while airborne. Nerf the strafing as well.
For god sake this ain`t a Hyper Scape to fight in the cosmos, oh sorry i mean the sky, and to constantly Vertical Tracking + ridiculous hard to hit(even from Pros) Air strafes.
And even after all of this nerf, she is still going to be super Strong, S tier for sure.
The biggest advantage in this game - High ground, and she can take high of a high ground for god sake. Her lift is going really high. Its a great reposition tool, taking high ground, and still can be used as a semi-disengage ability.
Lets not forget she has small .... hitbox, and still doesn`t have LP on her.
At the end of the day this is a shooter, not a League of Legends ... Power Creep on ability should stop, or better reverse it !!!
@LordloshBang But then we have the issue of why play horizon? The gravity lift, provides no extra movement when talking about simply moving across terrain, removing heals and nerfing strafe, kinda ruins the idea of the gravity lift, so why play horizon if I can play wraith and actually be able to leave
@TuxTart116 wrote:@LordloshBang But then we have the issue of why play horizon? The gravity lift, provides no extra movement when talking about simply moving across terrain, removing heals and nerfing strafe, kinda ruins the idea of the gravity lift, so why play horizon if I can play wraith and actually be able to leave
Didn`t you watch the video i post?
Albralelie its exactly right. Its literally what Devs have said, and then they released Horizon ....
As far as the question why play here? Simply enough. You still have top passive, you still have ultimate that you can pretty much get a triple kill with zero mechanical skill involved(to not even said zero skill at all), and without even draw your weapon wow.
You still have 1 of the best tactical, that sends you to the cosmos, and can give you High ground in absolutely every fight out there, not only that, but to your entire team, and then disappear, unlike Pathy grapple for example.You still can use it for reposition, disengage and even escape mechanism.
But healing while riding this ..... ain`t fair for anyone, and takes zero skill, and shouldn`t be allowed.
At the end of the day this is a shooter game, and when you are about to die, cause someone is better than you, outplay you or so, you shouldn't be able to pop a panic key(Q) and get away with it. Same with Wraith players, that was all over the place, when they remove the insta Q, which was ridiculous.
Guess what good players adapt, and weak ones that were abusing this, and was pretty much straight up charge on you, and riding a totally broken mechanics for way too long, and when they were losing the 1on1 fight, they just press Q and were magically saved.
Again high ground, and even in Horizon case, its send you straight to the heaven and you really can take absolutely anything which is another ridiculous thing, but anyway if you and the team you are fighting is pretty much equally skilled, given that you have high ground, you should be able to win that fight 100% of the time. Even if they are a bit better than you, you should still be able to win the majority of the time, cause of the high ground. Its really a day and night difference, if you know what you are doing.
@LordloshBang Horizon does have one of the best tactical, but in my opinion that's how horizon should be played, A defensive but also attack based legend, there are easy ways to counter, such as cryptos emp, a wraith teleport and even some good gunplay can be useful against her, im not saying horizon doesnt need a nerf, she definetly does, but I think we need to carefully look at the meta, before we erase abilities that make a legend good
TuxTart116, by that logic i want Bangalore to have Wraith tactical, Gibraltar ult, and still be able to smoke and have double timing, is that fair?
And no she doesn`t have one of the, Its the best by far. I was watching Madness warming up for tournament, and playing solo pubs for it, and the guy literally wasted 2 mags at Horizon on her tactical, and hit her like 2 time ....
ShivFPS is constantly missing on her whole mags, and doing less than 50 damage, most of the time.
And actually no, no one counter her, maybe only Gibraltar dome, but dome save you against all, so ....
Again lets repeat:
What Albralelie said its 100% correct. its Devs own words using them for nerfing mechanics and legends.And they release this .... lets call it - thing.
Again nothing against Horizon or any other legend, but some mechanics should be staying away from the game. Mechanics that are obviously unfair towards the whole player base. You have fun with it, obviously to get away with so much, but others are annoyed hard time.
Again in my mind, no auto-revive should exist in such games, no Goldpacks revive for half of your hp, no using of a tactical like phase, grapple, lift and you to be able to heals on that.
Horizon gives you everything, and that totally meaningless the rest of the legend and the concept we have so far.
Once again, removing her healing while riding to the sky, and nerfing(again nerfing, not removing) her strafing while on her lift and add accuracy penalty as everyone have and this is absolutely fair.
Don`t forget you can jump out of the lift every single second, and you have multiple options with it.
You pretty much can take any high ground, at any given situation, which gives you huge advantage. And you still can use it as reposition, disengage and escape mechanism. But you shouldn`t be allowed to do so, to ride on it, heal, and shoot back with 100% accuracy and pretty much abuse a totally broken mechanic.
At the moment its exactly that.
Lets not forget that while she riding on her Lift, she can use her ult, which is a huge thing, and you can still spam from the sky with nades. On top of that, you can use it this to block doors/corridors and so blocking enemies or totally throws them off.
Add this nerfs and she still going to be S tier, just not totally broken.
But knowing how Devs addressing balance, they are either going to kill her, or nerf something that doesn`t need to be nerf, and will still let the broken mechanic.
- @TuxTart116 pathfinder, octane and wraith all has ability for repositioning but here is the problem: they are all ultimate and have visible downside: Wraith is completely defendless when portaling, Octane and Path leave their tool behind so everyone can use it but most importantly, they lose accuracy when using it and actually loud as hell
horizon on the other hand, can lift your whole team from king canyon to olympus in no time, audio is bugged to non existence at all and packed so much ultilities: you can heal on it, shoot people from it, block small entry/doorway with it or a panic "oh shjt" button when fighting other. she is so op to the point of absolutely toxic to play against. both world record of damage done and kill was all thanks to her insanely powerful arsenal. she must get a hard nerf or im done playing this game next season - @TuxTart116 watch this video and tell me how fun it us to play against her https://youtu.be/OkLceGZCnoU
They should nerf her tactical by doing something like:
- Reduce the duration of the gravity lift by a very short amount
- Remove 100% accuracy while going up the lift but keep the accuracy while floating at the top
- Reduce the distance that Legends can rotate around in while using the lift
Taking away the ability to heal on it would be a terrible nerf.
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