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Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago

Hrm I dont think the crosshair is supposed to behave like that (video)

This must either be a new, high elo aiming technique that I am not familiar with, like super duber mega jitter aim OR did I just got killed by a hacker? =) Well to be fair, it COULD be the spectate camera thats is wrong but this is the first time I saw this. Btw he killed me with two consecutive Sentintel headshots in a close range fight. I reported but we all know how effective that is hahaha 

Strange that his crosshair totally disappear sometimes but sometimes flies around like a mosquito hrmm 

 

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  • @Balladalidila Usually when someone is using a cheat, like seeing people through walls, or aimbot, you don't see anything from the spectation point of view that would give it away. You only got how they're playing to go off of.

    So, the crosshair freaking out like that just seems like a bug. We all know how the game loves its bugs.

    Although then again, maybe their cheat is acting in such a way that the game doesn't know what to do. Which in that case, maybe they are aimbotting, and the cheat is snapping all over the place to try and hit targets within the range, while the player's gun isn't moving since they're not actually aiming. This honestly would explain how people can hit you when they have their sides facing you, or when the bullet lines don't even line up or are near the gun when they fire it.

    I had a game where a player was shooting, but the bullets were being fired where they weren't shooting from, and every shot they missed, still hit me and my team.
  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @Midnight9746 

    Hrm yeah might just been a crosshair bug. Because when I spectated him further into the game, he changed to a wingman and missed quite alot of shots with that.  Hehe kunda fun though with a premade 3-stack, all with 4k, 20 dmg badges, two in Bronze and one in silver =) I dont really complain because I also started out in silver2 or something this split but I am only playing solo ranked on the other hand.

    Btw I also spectated a guy who hit bullets that wasnt even close to hit on the spectate view but I assumed it was a bug since his hit/miss ratio was nothing out of the ordinary. 

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    4 years ago
    @Balladalidila Yeah, it's a bit weird.

    Although there's a cheat I remember hearing about that lets the cheater see who's spectating them and how many, (like player's actual names and what squad they were from), which is why I think there is also a cheat that forces players spectations onto another squad when they get killed by the cheater, and in most recent events this had started to happen when I switch my view to the cheater's POV. I would go from seeing their teammate, to seeing a completely different squad. This doesn't seem like a bug as it doesn't happen often and when it does, the enemy team has one or two players with god-like aim and are shredding the whole lobby. But who knows, I guess.

    A few examples I have, are that I had games where I've gotten killed by say, a Lifeline, while my friend got killed by a Pathfinder or whoever. They're still watching the squad, while I'm somehow watching a team on the other side of the map. While within the last two weeks, I've had instances where I was viewing the stats of the players on the team that killed mine, (with a legit looking player being my killer), and the second I viewed the teammate that seemed to be cheating, it snapped my spectation onto another squad completely, while this team went on to win the game. I'll honestly be surprised if this is a bug.

    Furthermore, with the statement about how players are shooting from places they aren't at, just imagine the reverse of the guy getting shot at in your last video. The bullets were being fired about the same distance away from the guy getting shot at, but they were also flying past me like in the video. I guess Apex is just being Apex.

    So, I think a lot of this just boils down to lag compensation, bugs, and the likes. Although Respawn hasn't seemed to acknowledge the force spectation being a "bug" yet, and I don't understand what would cause the crosshair to lose its mind in the first place, other than mix inputs from the player and a cheat software or overlay.
  • @Balladalidila

    Is spectate mode always this strange, or was this a one-off experience? I ask because Halo 4 killcam was notoriously laggy and inaccurate. Everything it showed you happened, but it definitely didn't show you everything that happened... if that makes any sense... and anyone who counted on it to give them a legible post mortem was always convinced that their killer was cheating. Could this be the same thing?
  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @reconzero 


    I have always assumed that the spectate mode never was a true representation of the POV but Ive never seen it actually show something that isnt possible in the game like the crosshair for instance.

    I dont know what technique is used for Apex spectator mode but Kill cams are usually something different since it, just like replays in most games, are just "recreated" from data points locally at the client who watches it (thats why a replay of a 1h match can be 10 mb and not 2gb as a screen caption movie file would have been) . I remember when kill cams and replays was added to PUBG and the hacker accusations went crazy since everyone thought they got killed by a no-recoil scripter but that was because the replay/kill cam techology couldnt recreate the exact crosshair position so it smoothen it out.

     But I think it would be very strange if they used this technique live for spectating..

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    4 years ago
    @Balladalidila Spectating a player who doesn't seem to be cheating, and saw the crosshair freak out. This appears to be a visual bug.
  • BigMacAttack8u's avatar
    BigMacAttack8u
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Midnight9746 What I would love to see is when your spectating, you see exactly what the person your spectating is seeing. You see the pov from their screen, so it’s easier to report wall hacking, and the like.
  • THIS Literally happened to me last night. Caught my teammate in trios with this weird reticle thing.... and i was recording my gameplay as well!

    I think you can still see when someone is spectating you, right? Because the moment i saw it, his character (wattson) stopped, and did a hand wave animation. It was just too coincidental! 

    Its weird, because the reticle would jump like that most of the time, and they were hitting their shots. But when it wasn't, or the reticle went hidden i noticed they were doing worse. And their movement sucked so bad! 

    Still lost the game. And i was questioning... "how can someone use cheats and still suck at the game???" 

    Their overall kills with the character were around 45k. So it was very fishy... 

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    2 years ago
    @BigMacAttack8u I think the kill cam isn't perfect, especially during lag spikes or other connection errors. I've seen the crosshairs aimed at walls, and I've died off to the side, (this was during everyone appearing to be lagging), I've seen the crosshair bounce like crazy, (I think this was due to prediction server errors, as the person was missing most of their shots).

    However, the things I've saw could be cheats, its a 50/50 for me. I can share the perspectives if I see them again.

    @Mutation_00 What did the reticle look like exactly? Was the gun shaking side to side, yet the player was still hitting shots, (be it some, most, or all)? I'm still not sure if that's a visual bug or a cheat glitching out the spectation. It seems to happen sometimes, even with players who didn't seem like they had aimbot, maybe wall hacks, but weren't acting like they did.

    As for cheaters still being bad when they use cheats, either they're trying to hide it or they have the settings set so low, its almost like they have it off. If they lack skills of their own, they're going to be a sitting duck.
  • EA_Pulsar's avatar
    EA_Pulsar
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    2 years ago

    Hey all,
    This thread is two years old, so I'm going to lock it to prevent necropostingIf you have more questions or want to keep the chat going, please start a new thread! That way, things stay neat and tidy, and everyone can join in.