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LordloshBang's avatar
5 years ago

I told you moving R99 to a CP is a very bad idea

I literally said this million times over and over. Now the game is 100x time worst.

Main problem with the R99 was the no-recoil users that was running all kind of macros that beamed you from million miles away, same with the soft cheaters and the aimbotters.

Yeah it was strong, but you got plenty of time to react to it, you could see its bullets, you could heard its shots, and its damage was low.

It has low damage, which rewards the good strafers -  11/16.5/8.8 body/head/legs.

Yeah it has insane fire rate, but Volt ain`t better, tho it has way higher damage and way harder to read where shots are going.

And Devo replace the R99 was just the nail in the coffin.

You can all complain now, but you asked for it.

The weapons was perfectly balance, outside of the Mastiff(a bit OP), now its completely broken on all levels.

People that were complaining so hard on R99 should remember that they asked for it, so you got no rights to complain now.

8 Replies

  • @LordloshBang Wanting the R99 in the care package was OK. The problem is when and how they replaced it.
    They added the Devotion which is too strong in its current state and they also made changes to the shields hence a faster ttk. That has nothing to do with people wanting the R99 in a care package rather than altering ttk and swapping it for a weapon that should of been altered upon putting it on the floor.

    From what I understand now the Devotion, Volt, Havoc, Mastiff, Hemlock, Prowler and the Flatline are now all OP. Work that out for yourself, thats almost a quarter of the weapons that people have said are op after patch.

    I agree the Devo is too strong but crying that the R99 is now in the supply drop is just weak. The shield changes aren't a good move imo and again I agree but that would be the same if the 99 was in or out anyway.
    When it settles down and people have played a bit the volt usage will drop and I'm pretty sure they will nerf the devo, after that I think the game will have more variety in weapon use than post patch.
    All assault rifles are still viable, the snipers are now more viable and personally I still think a buff to the Alternator would be a good thing.

    At least I don't hear brrrrrrrrr (R99) every god damn game.

  • LordloshBang's avatar
    LordloshBang
    5 years ago

    @xx_Dante2k_xx wrote:
    @LordloshBangWanting the R99 in the care package was OK. The problem is when and how they replaced it.
    They added the Devotion which is too strong in its current state and they also made changes to the shields hence a faster ttk. That has nothing to do with people wanting the R99 in a care package rather than altering ttk and swapping it for a weapon that should of been altered upon putting it on the floor.

    From what I understand now the Devotion, Volt, Havoc, Mastiff, Hemlock, Prowler and the Flatline are now all OP. Work that out for yourself, thats almost a quarter of the weapons that people have said are op after patch.

    I agree the Devo is too strong but crying that the R99 is now in the supply drop is just weak. The shield changes aren't a good move imo and again I agree but that would be the same if the 99 was in or out anyway.
    When it settles down and people have played a bit the volt usage will drop and I'm pretty sure they will nerf the devo, after that I think the game will have more variety in weapon use than post patch.
    All assault rifles are still viable, the snipers are now more viable and personally I still think a buff to the Alternator would be a good thing.

    At least I don't hear brrrrrrrrr (R99) every god damn game.


    No it was not okay to replace it. The game was in almost perfect state as far as weapons balance goes. So what exactly did you expect to happen ? It was close to the brain when you move R99 to the CP, you have to gave something back, and Devotion was the only non-sniper non-shotgun weapon in there. Or you did not think about that ?

    Devotion will always be OP weapon, just like PK, so now matter what you did with them, they will be OP.

    You wanted a meta change, because R99 was too powerful, was it really? NO it wasn`t. And now people can see it truly. I have never ever die in a no time by R99. I have always have reaction, and a change to shot back and win the fight. I could heard its sound, and see the bullet, and with good aim/movement to beat any R99 users(except for cheaters and some macro users ofc).

    Now its a mess, and its a mess, because alll the people that were complaining about the R99 being too strong.

    So just enjoy the mess you are at now.

    And there is no change this game will ever have such a good balance between weapons pre-season 6. ZERO.

  • xx_Dante2k_xx's avatar
    xx_Dante2k_xx
    5 years ago
    @LordloshBang Haha, im enjoying it, its just the R99 cry babies that aren't.
    You don't like change, you can't cope with it and when your precious little gun gets changed you post and cry about it.
    Adapt and learn or don't play it. The Volt was the replacement for the R99, direct smg swap. The Devotion will get nerfed, guaranteed.

    Don't worry in a season or so the 99 will come out of the care package and you can do a little song and dance about it. For the time being it is what it is, we've had an R99 meta for far too long now.
  • LordloshBang's avatar
    LordloshBang
    5 years ago

    @xx_Dante2k_xx wrote:
    @LordloshBangHaha, im enjoying it, its just the R99 cry babies that aren't.
    You don't like change, you can't cope with it and when your precious little gun gets changed you post and cry about it.
    Adapt and learn or don't play it. The Volt was the replacement for the R99, direct smg swap. The Devotion will get nerfed, guaranteed.

    Don't worry in a season or so the 99 will come out of the care package and you can do a little song and dance about it. For the time being it is what it is, we've had an R99 meta for far too long now.

    So all the Pro and top players that obviously know this game, are crying now ?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ibxvhz/i_asked_pros_about_their_opinions_on_the_new_ttk/?ref_source=embed&ref=share


    Check Snip3down twitter.

    The game is utter trash now. It has nothing to do with R99. 


    And no i`m not liking the change, just like 90% of the playerbase, so the way i see, we are not the crybaby, but the crybabies are the guy that were getting outplayed and outskilled, and come here and cry for the R99, which was perfectly fine.

    But you just show how bias you have always been, because you were complaining by being lasered, right now you are lasered like 100x time faster, but your okay with it, so that just prove my point you were just not liking R99 and thats the main reason you wanted to be placed in the CP, which has nothing to do with overall game balance and heatlth.

    And it doesn`t matter if they going to fix this stuffs, because they already mess things up and there is no turning back. 

    You said they would nerf the Devotion, really? Who idea was to put it like that at first place? Why they didn`t think about it, before messing the whole game? This is a bad balancing team obviously.

    Yeah they can try to fix their game, but will be too late, and most of the playerbase/pro players that get the views will be long gone.

    Enjoy it.

    https://streamable.com/e8p3ah

  • xx_Dante2k_xx's avatar
    xx_Dante2k_xx
    5 years ago
    @LordloshBang So its not about the R99 now ? Make your blooming mind up.
    You ranted about the R99 and now say it has nothing to do with that..

    I couldt give too darns about some so called pro, the reason they are complaining is because they can't spray and dodge like they could with the 99. Again if it wasn't a meta weapon why was it so popular that it was in every gun fight?
    The streamers I watch are all for the loot change but don't like the TTK change.
    I'm glad you dont like it, maybe we won't have to hear you on here complaining about a game you no longer play.

    We are going to disagree so there is honestly no point in a discussion. I'm not going to watch your links as its about the TTK not the R99 which for some reason you made it all about, hence your title.
  • LordloshBang's avatar
    LordloshBang
    5 years ago

    But when its all tied up, you have to talk about it. Because its a chain reaction, you know what is this? :D

    Sorry but your just biased, because you hate the R99. Its simple as that. You now get melted way faster, but your okay with, which prove my point, your biased to just hating the gun, that was perfectly fine.

    Against R99 you can react, you can dodge shot, and make him paid, cause because of the fast fire-rate the moment he lost track on you, he is missing 90% of his shots, because the time he correct his aim, the ammo is gone.

    Good luck doing that on 50+ no sound, no visibility bullets of Devo, and good luck outplaying that weapon. Again you can`t compare 16.5 headshoot damage high recoil weapon, to almost zero recoil 34 headshot damage Devo, right? :D

    R99 was perfectly balanced weapon.

    And yeah maybe i`m wrong, but are all the Pros wrong as well ?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ibxvhz/i_asked_pros_about_their_opinions_on_the_new_ttk/

    Tweet from snip3down:

    "All of this on top of weapons like the volt and devotion having 0 sound most of the time causes issues in fights constantly. Devo should not be a floor weapon at all, and may as well go back in the care package, take the R99 out and replace it with devo IMO"
     
    "
    Played the new Apex season for about 16 hours now, I love the map changes so far and don’t mind the crafting system, however, the skill gap has been dramatically reduced due to every weapon feeling powerful, which goes hand in hand with reducing max HP"
     
    Hal:
    "
    Season 6 impression: The gun meta is complete trash now, every gun is so brain dead with no recoil with insane amount of damage, R301, Scout, Volt, Devo, havoc and * buffing burst weapons??? Skill gap doesn't even exist anymore
    "
     
    I think this is more than enough. So explaining how lowering the TTK rewards skill is a complete b.c, its exactly the opposite.
     
     
    Whole morning was watching Ottr. He was getting insanely mad and was getting wrecked over and over, by way lower skilled players than him. How is that good? This couldn`t happen before, tho R99 was open to anyone, but people in the pubs(if not cheaters), couldn`t lasering him in a no time and couldn`t kill him, and he was solo queue as well, which means he was doing 1v2 or 1v3 most of the time.
     
    But lets wait and see, the playerbase will just disappear in a no time.
     
  • xx_Dante2k_xx's avatar
    xx_Dante2k_xx
    5 years ago
    @LordloshBang No, im not biased the gun was overused can you not see that? Again not comment about why it was so overused, they had to do something because the gun was used in 90% of gun fights. Yes they may have done it wrong by putting the Devo back on ground loot but when a gun is used as much as the 99 was then the game is boring as hell and is a one gun game.

    Again your listing all these weapons that are now so called OP which has nothing to do with the R99 but the ttk change.

    The 99 is in the supply drop now so suck it up or don't play.

    Bored now, moving on.
  • LordloshBang's avatar
    LordloshBang
    5 years ago

    Just because a gun is overused doesn`t mean a thing. Wingman is highly used by the good aimers, but the weapon require a lot of skills to be used at his full potential, right ?

    Also i don`t have a statistics to tell how much % R99 was used, but i could have outplay a fair player with that weapon, by a lot.

    My choices pre-season 6, was not fixed. I played Prowler/Flatline/Eva8/R99/R301,P2020(with hammerpoint) Alternator, and if i start with some of them i finish with them and i for once didn`t feel like i`m playing in a complete handicap and i got no chance against a lower skilled player, simply because he is using R99/any for example. 
    The only times i had a feeling about that and totally feel that the fight is unfair was against the Mastiff, but even then you had a chance to outplay.

    Now if you have anything else than a primary Devo/Volt(i will add Havoc as well, because the new recoil is just b.c. easy), the whole feel is that your in a huge handicap mode.

    And i`m tired of handicaps, as i`m solo queue player, and i always feel in handicap due to teammates, now having that feeling because of the weapon as well is just not healthy for my nerves you know ? :D

    And again you should read what chain reaction mean, because its exactly that. You may not believe me? Eh, the Snip3down is saying exactly the same stuff.

    The difference is i foresee this mess long ago. This just show how much i understand the game.