Lag Compensation - ruins the game!

Hey @Xbox-Chf-Wiggum  I would suggest taking a look at our Connection troubleshooting steps which you can find here: https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/faq/connection-troubleshooting-basic/

Darko

I totally agree that Lag Compensation ruins this game for Me and I speak for MANY Players when I say it doesn't do Apex Legends any favors. It is a system that was only set up as a cash grab to allow the widest range of Players and Audience to access it. I have been shot around corners or immediately bursted down while strafing. Literally every shot will hit Me as if I'm standing still when in fact I'm bobbing and weaving, bullets are flying past Me, but the Server registers every shot hit Me. It's such a disgusting problem. I'm honestly going to have to limit My Servers to get higher ping to just not be at a disadvantage. I pull anywhere from 23-36 ping. I ever bought a new Router for Apex just to get a better direct connection. Yes I'm plugged into a LAN cord, yes it's a new cord. Everyone will tell You it's You Internet, do not listen to Them. Respawn is at fault for this pile of garbage call Lag Compensation. This is on Them and They need to be held accountable.

@Xbox-Chf-Wiggum 

Its actually not something that is supposed to work a certain way but is broken . Its a conscious design choice made by Respawn, a choice they deemed the best of all other available options. They explained it in a a blog post a couple of months ago (link below). To quote the most summarizing line: 

“Lag compensation is the art of merging slightly different experiences into one shared reality.”

Even if I also get annoyed when I clearly is out of line of sight and still get hit, I think we all must understand there isnt a "perfect solution" to this that Respawn just failed to implement. We have 60 players, all with different pings to the servers which leads to 60 different "realities" that 60 different people are experiencing when they share the lobby. So Respawn chose to let the client of the attacker determine the hit, i.e if I hit you on my screen, its a hit, regardless where you are at your screen. In other words; with the current system, you have an attackers advantage but you also have a disadvantage if you are on the run, trying to escape an attacker.

I dont know if the overall experience would be better if they chose another method of hit detection, like 100% server sided, but something tells me that that kind of hit detection would work quite badly in a BR hrmm,. It would probably lead to much even more random stuff like no regs, even though I personally probably would benefit since my ping usually is 18-24 ms.  Anyways, I do think the most reasonable and fair thing to do is to have a ping limit on like 60-80 or something.

What Makes Apex Tick: A Developer Deep Dive into Servers and Netcode (ea.com)

Actually there is a perfect solution that has been around for years now! It's called dedicated servers and ping-based matchmaking.

Why on earth when I am connecting to datacenter with 40ms ping I am actually playing on server with ping 90ms?

Years ago You could choose a server with the lowest ping and play there or just set Your own server and play it with lowest possible ping. 

But now with the approach of "game as a service" dedicated servers can't be in a hands of customer.

@PsyhiX69 

I dont know what you mean with "dedicated servers" since Apex ofc is using dedicated servers hrmm. Do you mean private severs?  Pinged based matchmaking would be nice from a gameplay point of view but I wonder how that would affect the skill distribution of different lobbies hrmm. Would it be the same to play ranked in a "10-20 ping server" as in a "150-200 ping server" in the same region etc? Its ofc also much easier to find 10 players with the same ping (like in games like CS, Valorant etc) that it is to find 60. IMO, a ping limit would suffice, removing the high pinger from the game. What that threshold should be is another question

Can't be fixed because of how every online game that doesn't look like a complete stutter fest works. The main thing I would like to know is why battle royals have such a low tick rate server at the stars of the match. Is it really because of today's hardware limitation or are better servers so expensive that even someone like EA can't afford to run them?

@PsychoDuckTV Actually Devs have explained this here: https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/servers-netcode-developer-deep-dive

It's honestly funny being told to check your connection, when I've literally played Apex with another person on the same Wi-Fi, both of us were wireless, and when we had issues like lag, our 3rd (who was a random) complained about the problem as well.

Which leads me to believe it's a server issue, more or less problems with a data center. When we last played, it was on October 31st, 2021, and we were playing Shadow Fall. The lag we've experienced, was similar to a DDOS attack, as everyone in the game around us were in slow motion, a team was squad wiping a lot of players, and our 3rd got disconnected and didn't seem to be able to rejoin. Then the team killing everyone got sniped and the lag stopped.

Can we honestly get better servers, or at the very least not get told to check our connections everytime it's clearly a server issue?

I can most definitely write, in great detail how Apex Legends can be better off without Lag Compensation. I would prefer to possibly get the chance to express this via a white board and a handful of peers. The overall flow of the game should not be based off of the laggiest Member of the match. I have seen quite frankly the biggest array of nonsense under Lag Compensation since I started playing on day one. I have even be untraceabley hacked to the point where Respawn says there is no proof that it happened. I even have Twitch Recordings of it and pictures. The point I'm making is They made a poor decision and alot of hardcore fans have to just suck it up or bite the bullet. I prefer to stick around and just shed some light on what is keeping this game from being fair. If only the individuals ad Respawn we're willing to actually listen.