7 years ago

Legend's Tier list, lemme hear your opinion

(This is a "reply" to someone who posted about Bloodhounds passiv being to weak)

If you look closely; every Passiv and "Tactic" skill are pretty useless. As if for now i'd Tier them;

Tier 1: (Bga)Bangalore, (Ll)Lifeline, (Wrt)Wraith

Tier 2: (Gib)Gibraltar, (Bhd)Bloodhound, (Paf)Pathfinder

Tier 3: (Cau)Caustic, (Mir)Mirage

Reasoning:

As for no i think all Legi's are "ok" so far, Abilitys don't seem to powerfull or to weak so i think you got a good balance between a shooter and a "Ability based game". What i mean by that is that you still can choose what u wanna play without affecting ur "game progression" to much. And it should stay this way for all player to be happy. With that being said lets move on to the topic.

Tier 1: All Tier 1's got on thing in common, utility. Even if Ll got a Tactic ab. that requires to stand her passiv is still very good. If i get killed it's mostly a Wraith, don't know why, she feels hard to hit and incredible fast, i don't like her Ult because i think its not a very active combat Ult but smartly used, that changes too. In Bangalore's case i think her movement speed when she gets hit is to much on her kit, she got a good combat ult that forces the enemy to retreat or cover (used smart) and a "smoke" has very good use in a lot of cases in every BR or shooter, so her movement speed alows her also to be fast out of tough or hot situations and in my opinion there are to much cherry's on this cake.

Tier 2: Now i think alot ask themselfs now "Dude why is Gibraltar Tier 2? wtf". He is slow, his ult is very strong and his overal kit is a good tank kit. I didn't had much trouble with Gibraltars in my Games so far and i don't think he ever will be, just because his TacAbily requires him also to stand in one plays. You don't want someone to know where you are and you also want to reposition as fast as you can if someone does, Gib has trouble with that, it does'nt make him bad, but he is not Tier 1. Bloodhound is a good legend overall, his passiv is kinda weak considering a wide area. The fact that you can get a afterimage through walls with his TacAbily is good, because knowing where the enemy is or where he not is, gives you the 1st shoot. His ult is good for obvious reasons, one thing that could be fixed: you can't see what color an item is in your Ult. Pathfinder has good utility but that's it, you can play very aggressive and get to alot of places with his abilitys people maybe won't know you will come from + his reposition ability. His passiv is useless af, no one cares about the circle at the beginning or the end and it takes years to apply that passive in my opinion.

Tier 3: Mirage.. well, i fall the 1st time for his tricks but if you do it a second time its your own fault, i like the idea but i only fell one time for his ability's. Most likely fall for my buddy that shoots a docey whe nwe drop, gets me everytime.. last is Caustic, good close area abilitys but overall not that great, if you are carefull enouughe or realize early enough taht u r against a caustic his can't do much (my opinion still). He got me once with his Gas because i had not seen him before but that's it.

Tell me if you see something different. I want to hear other peoples opinions on Apex's Legend's so try to stay on the topic.

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11 Replies

Gynotonic
7 years ago
I think Paf and Gib are T1. Gibs aoe shield and his ult are really strong. Paf's mobility is strong and his zip-line is extremely useful for pushing or disengaging as well as getting to unreachable spots unreachable by teams without a Paf. I agree with your T3 choices tho.
ZethVang
7 years ago
I believe most characters needs some buff, because overall some abilities lack a lot of utility.

Since I play bloodhound the most and got most kills and wins from him, he needs fixes and some buffs.

His Passive ability is fine, it’s actually quite useful when you are trying to find an enemy that is 1 man standing. I actually use this ability when I saw 1 man left and was able to track him down. So over all it’s a decent passive ability.

Sight of the All Father is the most useless ability ever. I can see why he could be 2nd Tier. The only thing it does it track the enemies where they were standing, but only in such a close range. It doesn’t help you find loot, or inform what kind of stats your enemy has, like does your enemy has purple or blue armor and helmet, is he or she Lifeline, Mirage, Wraith and so on. When you think of “Tactical Scavenger” you imagine someone helps the team inform what’s in the area and who’s been here and if the enemy has blue or purple armor or not. Where are the best loots and such.

Here the things that I would buff his ability, buff his range, be able to locate loot.

His Ultimate “One with the Beast”(?): The skill isn’t THAT bad, but the only thing i would add is being able to see enemies through walls and be able to know what kind of armor your enemies. For example: if you activate the ability, instead of the enemy being highlited as red, make them blue or purple depending on the armor their have, if they are purple it means that they have purple armor and if they don’t have shields THEN they are red and that way your team is able to mainly target and kill the enemy.

Lifeline: As being a support character, Her kit spunds good on paper, but flawed on practice. Her passive ability is quiet interesting being able to recover your teametes while a shield is protecting you, but they could do more than that.

Passive Ability: The ONLY thing I would add is self-healing, but slow. I mean she is a support character. Kinda like Mercy from Overwatch.

L1 Ability Healing Pod thing: This ability needs needs some buffs. When activating, it doesn’t follow you and you have to touch the healing pod in order to heal yourself and has short range.

Ultimate Ability Care Package: This ability is OK to say the least, I have no issues with it.

Wraith: Again, Kit sounds good on paper, terrible in practice.

L1 ability: Why can’t her ability have the same speed when she activates her ulitmage ability the portal? And enemies can see your purple smoke when you activate your ability. I would honestly hope that her ability can be a mix of Tracer/Sombra (mostly Sombra). Like let’s say you plant your wisp outside of the village and when you are caught on fire you can quickly escape.

I could go on, but rn this reply would be a full screen. I’m interest if you think I’m insane.
dajenPool91
7 years ago
I honestly think you need to switch Pathfinder and Mirage around. Pathfinder might have a grapple and Zipline but he isn't super great for a squad. Mirage and Bangalore are the ultimate slip away artists they can sneak around to either grab banners to go respawn or revive someone. Pathfinders abilities make too much noise and he talks in game way too much. His ability to map out the next zone isn't super great or game changing. He is just not needed.
dajenPool91
7 years ago
Also you gotta add synergy to the list like a team with Blood/Bang/Mirage they are great for running away and you launch Bang's smoke and send Mirage's drone in and have Blood activate his Ult it works extremely well.
Also Bang/Life/Gib you can launch smoke on knocked player activate Gib area shield and revive with Life a secondary shield.
0A_Vex
7 years ago
I agree to the Synergy category but with around 60ish hours~ i would not go that far because i didn't try much of team compositions. "Blood/Bang/Mirage" may be a go runaway-comp but if you look in winning compositions it's most likely two of Blood/Wraith/Bang/Lifeline. Those four are always there so i don't think team comps matter to much since all those are solo/support based charakter but don't need each other as much like a Gibraltar. Lifeline can survive on her own, her ult is just so great for extra items and does great with everyone. Mirage is fun to playi guess but not surely not tier 2. I agree Pathfinder could be Tier 3 too, because he does'nt benefit any team comb. To sum it up; Bang/Lifeline compliment every teamcomp and Wraith/Bloodhound are just very good offensive charakter.
0A_Vex
7 years ago
@ZethVang you want to 1-hit your target in while in your ult too? I can see somethings u say might be true about his passive but his ult already is very strong necause vision in a shooter is so important, and if you buff his ult even more you make him indispensable for everyone. You don't want charakters to be so strong, you'd be stupid to not take them. Also seeing enemy's equipment is a bad idea, just because it would be a game breaking mechanic.
TrueDivinorium
7 years ago
I think it's way too early for that and the "pros" probably think otherwise. But as a slightly above average player that played more than i should:

Tiers:

S: Lifeline.
Her ult by itself already makes her A tier. On top of that her Q allows to some nice pain circle surfing. While neither of these skills can change a battle outcome most of times, you CAN use her ult to create cover if needed, but the fact that she will out gear you AND choose when to get out of the pain circle for some surprise rear touching. Yep in the PUBS she can easily get top 3. So Ult that is always good to use? AND easily her own strategy to the game? Tier S.
A: Bangaloo and wraith.
Both have amazing passives, their Q are situational; can save a fight or completely screw you and your team and the same for their ult. Can win or lose a battle. just like that. Also often their ults are utterly useless/ unusable.
B: Gibraltar, Pathfinder, bloodhound.
Gibraltar: Like Bangaloo and wraith he has a Q and a ult that can change a battle. And same as them it can backfire in amazing ways. But his passive is only good, not amazing.

Bloodhound: ok passive. ok Q, AMAZING ult. He is only here because of his ult. Otherwise it would be lower.

Pathfinder: meh passive. good to AMAZING Q, it's all about who is using it. Possibly good ult. As much as people are downplaying his ult he can get a entire team in a advantage point.
that's HUGE in a game like this. His ult isn't supposed to be used in battle. it's supposed to win the battle before it even started.
C: Caustic and Mirage.
Caustic : His passive is ok. It's a good passive, but to use that you are screwing your team and can be emulated by some scopes. His Q is "ok" but it needs to be way smaller AND show in the map when one of it is popped, the damage it does is little, but i don't think it should be a damage dealing thing. His ult does little damage, the size looks ok. But the range that it can be used at, grenade range, make it horrible as a area denial skill. Only use for that is use on your foot and try to make use of your passive.

Mirage: Passive is good against pubs but horrible against decent players. His Q is EXTREMELY situational, unless we are talking again against newbies, and his ult can be amazing against newbies and is almost worthless against decent players. Only reason he is in the C tier and not alone in the D is because he has the best lines and damn, he looks good.
PS: In Caustic Q i mean that it needs to be WAY clearer were the thing has pooped.
ZethVang
7 years ago
His Ultimate is quite good. I mean you literally turn invisible when you activate it. His Q is pretty ok, while launchin in Air, you can press Q to send a decoy which is a way to scare solo players to go to another direction, though it would be better if the decoy can A. Move with a weapon that you are using instead of empty hands, and B. Detect if your Decoy is destroyed or faded. For instance let’s say you put a decoy infront of a loot inside the Market and if someone attacks the decoy, Mirage would be notified that the enemy is IN the Market.
TrueDivinorium
7 years ago
"His Ultimate is quite good. I mean you literally turn invisible when you activate it. "

That's the problem: It doesnt. it only cloacks you. People can still see your outline and against more experienced players, who know that, your ult only means you will stay a couple of seconds without doing anything while getting shot at.
The problem with his Q is that no one act like that. The decoy doesn't sprint or jump walls, it goes in a joy walk or go in a straight line while failing. Any experienced player will look at the speed and how your decoy is acting and find out easily. The lootbox "can" work but 99% of time you can't make use of that.

That's why he is so low that he should be in his own power tier, alone and in dead last.
While all the others characters do have some options. Playing Mirage against someone who knows enough of the game is like playing a character without passive, q and ult.
0A_Vex
7 years ago
I watched alot of Apex Streams and played also much more since i made the post and i agree on every point of your rating. I think it has and always be "OP" to get additional Items/Gold in a game and that makes Lifeline a deserved spot on S, also that makes her a balance problem.