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Ggffggfb
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4 months ago
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Make Apex fun again instead of obnoxious

Why are we Nerfing fun legends like ash an sparrow and buffing obnoxious characters like caustic and seer this makes no sense you wanna talk about overpowered  nerf ash dash but give seer double jump and the ability to freeze himself in the air and wall hacks that goes 70 meters and a tactical that can go just as far that gives him a speed, boost and cancels the person‘s abilities that doesn’t even include his upgrades like you can’t be serious no pun intended then there’s caustic who can unlock all four perks gas damage that starts at 10 and goes up every two ticks an the gas covers, so much area. You pretty much can’t go in a building if a caustic plays it right an ultimate that comes back every two minutes when it takes ashes three not to mention this doesn’t apply to mouse and keyboard players, but gets rid of aim assist which is really fine but this is ridiculous. You Nerf, the fun, legends and buff the ones no one really wants to play because they’re obnoxious turning them into raid bosses like make Apex fun again. These are terrible changes. Caustic can have all four perks but Ash can’t have two ults bro. Gas starts at 10 and can tick up every two ticks.  But tethered damage and duration was the problem. Y’all must be smoking, meth or something. Not to mention seer gets more of a speed boost than Maggie does from her ult. Like y’all’s balancing has to be the worst in gaming history. Because a fun character is getting played on every team you decide to Nerf her you would think this is a good thing. How about instead of nerfing characters with high pick rates into the ground you make the other characters equally as fun instead of just buffing them out out of this world there’s so many fun mechanics you could add them instead of making them obnoxious please make Apex fun again pick rate is not a bad thing. It is a good thing and you should not be nursing characters with high pick rate like leave them alone.

  • I agree with some of your points, but not all.

    To start with the part I disagree with, I believe we should not take Ash's extremely high pick rate lightly. With 27 legends in a three-person squad, the ideal pick rate is around 3%. A pick rate of 20-30% is clearly unhealthy and a problem we can't ignore.

    On the other hand, disruptive abilities like those of Seer and Caustic are important in a strategic battle royale, and it's also true that there are players who enjoy them. We should understand that the developers have to consider diverse player needs.

    Where I completely agree with you is that the ideal solution is to give other low-pick legends fun, positive changes, instead of just making obnoxious abilities stronger.

    However, the developers seem to lack a sense of urgency. I understand that balancing the game is a difficult task and prone to failure, but if things continue as they are, many players will misunderstand their intentions, become disappointed, and stop playing.

    The developers should be actively sharing their intentions and limitations to the players.

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  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    4 months ago

    "I believe she should be the standard for legends instead of them having 1 good ability she’s not the problem in balancing it’s the fact that other characters have useless abilities in there own kit"

    Now that's an argument that makes sense. I still disagree with it on a couple of points. First, Respawn is not going to raise the rest of the roster to her standard, which means the only viable ask is to have her nerfed. But second, I'm one of those regressive players who isn't happy with the push to make every single legend into a mobility god, especially when, as is the case with Ash, that mobility includes the power to literally disappear from one point in space and reappear in another in the blink of an eye. I remember years ago when Respawn gave Pathfinder his first big nerf (grapple cool down) and claimed as a rationale that speedy grapple recharges had a negative impact on battle legibility. At the time I was infuriated, and actually I still kind of am. He was never the problem. But NOW??? Let me make a list of the legends who can literally disappear and reappear somewhere else: Ash, Loba, Mirage, Wraith, Alter, and almost even Vantage. Now, Respawn, go ahead and talk to me about battle legibility. Go ahead. I DARE you. Then you have the list of legends with some kind of mobility gimmick, including those on the previous list, but adding in Lifeline, Sparrow, Valk, Rev, and technically Newcastle, Bloodhound, and Horizon. It would have been faster to make a list of legends who lack a mobility gimmick.

    My point here is that it's too much. It's "evolved" the game from something resembling balance and into a chaotic dust cloud of ever-faster legends who are much harder to shoot, much less to even see or find. It's changed the game. If you say it's all for the better then it's your lucky day. Personally I don't like it. I hate the design philosophy that says a game should be so hard to be good at that only cheaters can win, and then uses THAT as a baseline to get harder still over time. Don't like it. Don't like it at all. Never did. Never will.

  • NickBeam27's avatar
    NickBeam27
    Seasoned Ace
    4 months ago

    Her pick rate is high because she possesses abilities no other has, can do things no other can, and has proven because of this kit of abilities far above the average legend - has one of the highest pick rates. Which in my opinion means she is broken - hence why they have nerfed her a couple times now. 

    Any Legend that is given insane mobility when compared to every other legend to use against legends that are stationary - will absolutely have the highest pick rate. That in itself is the data you need to see that her kit (compared to the rest) ... is broken. 

  • I feel, unless all legends have the same advantages in Mobility - pitting legends against each other when one can dash in any direction, double jump with a free wall climb like sparrow - kills competitive integrity. That leaves the only options moving forward for new abilities is more of the same garbage.... look at Seer now. 

     

  • Ggffggfb's avatar
    Ggffggfb
    Rising Rookie
    4 months ago

    Bro u telling me she’s more broken than caustic sear altar and ballistic look at her pick rate she’s still number one even with all of the changes has nothing to do with her being broken we have to stop saying pick right means broken. She’s not the problem. The other characters in the game are.

  • Ggffggfb's avatar
    Ggffggfb
    Rising Rookie
    4 months ago

    And this is with her best ability being taken away, which is double

  • Ggffggfb's avatar
    Ggffggfb
    Rising Rookie
    4 months ago

    Guess we should just always Nerf the number one pick right legend to they’re all **bleep** and useless

  • In my opinion she has the highest pick rate despite the nerfs because of Mobility. Since this garbage mobility was introduced in a game that didn't need it - everyone wants the mobility to have an advantage over every other legend that doesn't have it. 

    And once someone uses sparrow or ash and gets used to having this get out of jail free card, and can push instantly et cetera.... it becomes a crutch. Which is why so many players complained the second Ash was nerfed. 

    Legends have always be given broken abilities that are too overpowered and always get a nerf eventually... this is nothing new. However the mobility was a bad change in the wrong direction... especially when only 2 legends were given it over all others. 

    Im sure Ash was nerfed because of what showed during data mining by the Dev's. 

    And buffing a legend who's entire kit is wall hacking - the very thing Respawn spends money on to combat themselves, they make as abilities to a legend and then buff it - as well as the added mobility seer now gets as well, tells you all you need to know about this particular Dev team. 

    I said it before and I'll say it again. Balancing and fair matches is COMPLETELY LOST on this Dev team. 

     

  • Ggffggfb's avatar
    Ggffggfb
    Rising Rookie
    4 months ago

    If this were true everyone would play valk the character that can literally fly but the rest of her kit is completely useless again ash is not the problem but the other characters in the game everyone complains wen there’s useless characters but then wen a useful one has a high pick rate yall scream for a nerf it’s so obvious that there are useless characters an those are the ones who need a change and then u would see her pick rate drop but no let’s just nerf her instead of asking them to switch up other characters kits

  • NickBeam27's avatar
    NickBeam27
    Seasoned Ace
    4 months ago

    Come on.... seriously... have you played Valk? How can you even compare sparrow and ash to valk? 

    Valk's flight is vertical only, its slow and she's a sitting duck when in flight, and it has a cool down on the fuel. This is why she is balanced and you don't hear anyone complaining about her kit. Sparrow at launch could double jump every second and a half... ash could also dash at launch every 2 seconds - AS A PASSIVE. 

    I find it perplexing that when the characters were all balanced nobody really cried about anyone particular, other than Seer when he launched. Then Ash comes along and everyone is complaining.... and you see that, as Ash wasn't the problem or a new mobility ability that was never in the game before as a passive with no cooldown... rather you see every other legend that never had major complaints as the issue. odd. 

    So don't change the one kit that seems to be unbalanced with a advantage - instead change all the other legend's kits instead? 

    I don't see much of a difference as say - one player on a hockey team starts using steroids, who can skate faster, shoot harder, hit harder, higher endurance et cetera - and when everyone gets upset that it isn't fair - I can't help but think you would be that one person that says - its fine... just put the rest of the team on steroids. lol 

    Maybe that's going a bit far - but I'm sure you get the point. 

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