Its broken for trios and ranked. Every single game i play in my opponents are Master players and sometimes Predators.The highest ive ever ranked is Platinum. I should not be playing matches against these players ever.The game is no longer fun to play. It's completely broken. I'm tired of being fodder for the top 2% of players in the game. Let me play v other players my rank.

Respawn, a matchmaking systems job is to organize the queued players into as evenly matched games as possible.It is not the matchmaker's job to decide whether a player should win or lose their next match before it even starts. Thisjust makes the game feel unfair and often either too hard or too easy. It takes control out of the player's hands so theyeither feel like the deck is stacked against them or they're being handed a pity win. Neither outcome is fun for anyone.There is a difference between healthy engagement and unhealthy engagement. Unhealthy engagement builds addictsby creating a feeling of emptiness in the player by either giving them an empty win or making them feel powerless abouttheir losses. Healthy engagement happens when you have players consistently playing because the game is actually fun.Apex has the potential to be fun, but the matchmaking actively fights it in favor of the unhealthy type of engagement.The reason you're doing it is because unhealthy engagement shows higher player retention in the short term, but eventuallyas the players get more and more frustrated, they will start leaving. The healthy type of engagement however retains playersfor a much longer time.The other thing you need to realize is that player retention is not only affected by matchmaking. Other things affect player retentionand if you're looking to maximize long-term player retention, you need to account for all aspects.----Here is how you make a good matchmaking system:Keep it simple! Your current matchmaking system is trying to do too much. The job of a matchmaking system is to create games where the players are as close in skill as possible.this maximizes the potential fun and enjoyment of every game and, as a result, player retention.Now that we have a goal, lets talk about implementation.How do we match similarly skilled players?First, we need a rating system to assess the skill of an individual player. For arenas and control this is fairly straightforward as you only have two sides and one wins and one loses.Therefor these modes can essentially be considered Zero-sum. You can use a simple elo system for this.BR unfortunately is a little more complicated. Since only one team in 20 (or 30 in the case of duos) can win any given game.Instead the rating system should be based on a number of different "sub-wins". When you get a kill you gain rating based on a combination of how much damage YOUactually did to that player and the difference between your current rating and the player's. You then lose rating in a similar manner when someone kills you. The ratingsystem should also reward things like reviving/respawning teammates, using abilities to the benefit of your team, etc.Just this will be a great start and will drastically improve the matchmaking system but there are a few extra factors that should be taken into account to make it even better.- Whether a person is solo queue or playing with friends- In the case of playing with friends, averaging out each player's rating in the squad to come up with a system where, as a squad, they are well matched to the other squads in the lobby.- When players leave the game in control leading to a numbers disadvantage (which is extremely detrimental in control)- Accounting for a numbers disadvantage in other modes (while not as detrimental it is still a problem)- Console vs PC (PC players should be allowed to opt out of crossplay as well and for crossplay games console aim assist should be 0.4 not 0.6 to balance the game)Matchmaking has been a hot topic for quite a while in Apex and the community is getting exhausted of dealing with the problems/stress/grief it causes. Games are meant to be fun, not an emotional rollercoaster.If you listen to this advice, the entire game will be much healthier, your player base will be happier, and you will see better long term player retention (barring other outside factors).I want to see this game succeed and I ask that you please consider what I've suggested for the good of the entire Apex community.Thank you.

Im a casual player who has been playing your amazing game for 3.5 years, i have only made it to Plat 3 times since i dont have the time to grind rank, WHICH MEANS I SUCK AT THE GAME!!! Stop placing me with * Masters and Preds in a Trios!!!!what happened to skill based matchmaking??? Ik im not that good at the game,and neither are my 2 friends. You ruined your game with this update and you need to fix it. Please, stop making it so competitive

@N19htf0x Like that would really help the game out a lot, but EA/Respawn has shown that they do not care at all. Case in point: Titanfall, had they cared; they would of helped the servers or had stop selling the game, but they didn't do either.On top of that, they care about things like the audio even less. The game's audio has been broken for several - and I mean SEVERAL seasons. Can't hear people run up to you, can't hear people using ziplines, can't hear ults dropped point blank to you, or even tacticals for that matter, (its basically cheating playing as Horizon because she has zero audio 99.9% of the time), yet you can hear someone running in a building that's over 100 meters away somehow. I was at Storm Catcher on Storm Point, and was hearing a full team running around inside the building. I walked inside and saw no one, despite hearing otherwise. They were actually at Command Center running around inside THAT area. Why do I hear people that far away, but never when they're 100 meters or less?

I'm on the opposite side, If go to ranked I get 2 bricks as team mates, who barely know how to play the game, most of the times they can't even hit a 100 dmg points each, I try to save them and get 3rd, 4th and 5th partied just to watch them disconnect, if go to pubs is the same, if I select not to fill teammates I left there into oblivion, I can do my grocery list, take a shower, prep meals and still be there waiting for a game, does this sound like a "engagement" matchmaking, because to me it's like a big pile of garbage, I know this will not change a thing because devs are only into the money and not quality. Apex you were a good game once, now it's just plain garbage

Honestly, I am not a great player, not bad but not great. and I am so sick of being lasered from all directions match after match, Matchmaking keeps putting me in lobbies where I am lucky to see my killer, let alone engage. I have been playing since launch (yes I still suck, I dont have the time to "get good") but honestly I dont know if I can keep this up any more.

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Zaethiel
4 years ago
its never been this bad for me. I used to see a bunch of diamonds and maybe a masters here and there, but this patch has been 20+ masters in all my ranked lobbies with diamonds 35+ and some predators and then there is me a platinum player with a couple randoms. The weirdest thing i saw was someone ranked higher than me queueing at the same time on twitch but getting lower level lobbies than me. I should never see more than 1-2 masters in a game and a lot less diamonds.
Apyhs
4 years ago
Ah, they still feed the high ranked players.
If you want to kill your game why not shutting down the servers right now ? Why do Respawn want to kill this game so slowly?
Maybe they could ask DICE to help out. Just a suggestion....
agalor
4 years ago
The game became completely unplayable for me.
I don't even try to play Ranked anymore, as I don't have a team, and for solo queuers the new system is extremely punishing.
I can't play pubs anymore. I take screenshots every time I die, and I swear, 7 of 10 times my killers are Masters with 20 kills badges and 4k damage badges. Half the time they're teamed up with their buddies (having the same clan tag), all Masters of course. I join a pubs game only to loot to eventually die in a split second, without being able to do anything. Again, and again, and again. Every day, no matter what time I try to play, afternoon, evening, at night.
Now that the Control is back, I tried playing that, and what do you know, a lot of the time there are teamed up Masters again, absolute annihilating you on sight.
I don't learn this way, I can't become better. No matter how good I can become in the coming weeks or months I can't win with a team of people of about level 100-200 against a triple masters team that has good comms.
It feels like I want to causally play let's say football on the local sports grounds. I come out, and there's Ronaldo and Messi, teamed up and completely annihilating everyone, not allowing them to even touch the ball, and winning 100-0.
I used to enjoy the game very much. Now I honestly give up, and will take a break until next season. I will try just watching Apex gameplay on youtube, even though even youtube videos now just give me anxiety and make me feel like crap.
Midnight9746
Hero+
4 years ago
Ranked matchmaking is terrible, the worst its ever been.

1st game: No teammates

2nd game: Teammates threw the match, getting us all killed (both were bronze)

3rd game: Teammates were both silver, and were at least able to shoot, ended up winning

4th game: bot teammates (both were rookie)

5th game: a duo team that seems to not care about their 3rd (both were rookie)

6th game: more bot teammates (both were rookie)

I'm in Silver III, which in the current S13 system, I managed to reach Gold IV within the first half of the season. Why am I getting ROOKIE teammates in silver/gold matches? It makes ZERO sense. Half of them are litteral bots, or someone with zero game awareness or skill. One shot at me like I was an enemy when I took out a cargobot, and they watched me shoot it down out of the sky. That's how clueless they are.

Edited: I got 2 of the same teammates 4 times in a row, and both of these teammates are noobs in a rank match, so when we get into a fight, we all just instantly die, so seriously EA/Respawn please fix the matchmaking and don't pair the same players up over and over again unless they choose to be in the same party. Its very annoying losing points because matchmaking wants to kick me in the shin with random teammates.
BoltarCavanaugh
3 years ago
I'm a low skill player, as I play casually and dont care for skill anymore. I just want to play for half an hour every now and then. This game had the potential to be really really really good.
But I get thrown into matches with ppl who have 15000+ kills in this game. Level 500. Its pointless for both. And no one at EA seems to give a fook - surprise (not).
Myway186
3 years ago
i feel like casual players need a lobby of there own.
alot of us have 9 to 5 jobs and cant spend our lives on a game.
most of us want to kick back crack a beer and enjoy ourselves, not get lasered by some sweat that is tap straphing.
anymore thats all i see and i cant even follow them on a 2 to 3 sensitivity level.
i die before i even realize what happens.
KillerPuppy4657
2 years ago
I'm a rookie right now due to me not having played competitively in like 7-8 seasons, I'm in Rookie IV tell me why I have a full team of predators hunting me like I'm a deer in headlights. I have had level 23s down me in less than a second because they're tap strafing and it feels like they're running like Octane as a mfin LIFELINE. Matchmaking in pubs and comp are both completely broken. I feel your pain dude and it just sucks. But because it's keeping the pros happy, it's never going to ever get fixed
Asmodeus566
Hero+
2 years ago
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