Once again, you're trying to say I should be forced to play a certain way, for a chance... even though all of which you've stated has issues of survivabilty still. With smoke effects being disabled in game. Portals taking forever long to start up and use effectively out of cqc. Shields being designed specially for stationary defense which isn't effective in the situation I'm talking about in my post. And hardly anyone ever playing Pathfinder...
I am arguing you should adapt to your environment.
You are arguing your environment should adapt to you.
"I am arguing you should adapt to your environment.
You are arguing your environment should adapt to you."
O..M..G.. That's it! My eyes are open now. Thank you father for now I see. The red pill to my
matrix. A truly defining moment, dictionary level. Of course the game(environment) is beyond perfect and shall never see flaw.
Everyone saying the Wingman needs a nerf should just get gud with it already and improve their aim. Everyone complaining about cheaters should just get those aim bots ready, and edit that game coding. People wanting solos and duos need to hire place holders that leave their squad when the game starts, duh. People tired of the net coding should just be thankful half of the bullets that are actually hitting, are actually hitting. Those hit boxes aren't a problem, just continue to use the three smallest champs every game. People who Dc all the time need to get their computers fixed already, and stop upgrading their graphics cards whenever a new update is released, cause you know updates are always a terrible thing. People complaining about the leavers just need to leave, duh. People saying there's not enough energy ammo should just shun all energy guns. Matter fact any complaints or opinions of improvement about this game(environment) from this point on shall simply be considered blasphemy.
" If you defeat the whole squad quick enough you will never get ganked by other team while doing combat."
Of course! Cus Apex Gods forbid you don't take down a whole squad in 2.8 seconds when the armor on this game is some of the most powerful any battle royale game has ever seen and most guns have around 12 rounds that, unless are all straight head shots, do roughly around 10-20 dmg each so you better not miss a single shot while pissing them out of your gun at the speed of a bunny humped orgasm and taking into account there's a chance some of those bullets are going to miss anyway because the game just says so. Better be in that Wingman/Peacekeeper meta with the accuracy of Shroud to make sure you can help wipe those squads in super sonic speed. And hope that all three of your opponents are dumb enough to not sway, but instead stand their like a zombie in a bear trap. Praise Bloodhound. Praise his/her Gods. This is the answer.
I have been somewhat away from the forums because quite frankly, respawn is WAY too slow to do or say anything, to the point that I and some friends are already beating how much time this game has.(My bet is 5 months and them it will "die" like titanfall2, server will be there but it will not be a thing. You can quote me in that in 5 months)
But quite frankly i find funny that the same person complains about 3 party wants lower ttk. What? You realize that lower TTK means that you will DIE without chance to fight back when you get the 3 party right? Also lets not forget that this game is faster and has a smaller map and the only reason why you are allowed to "not camp" as you say is because the TTK is so high, else people would sit in a house like they do in PUBG.
I mean common dude. That's kinda of the point of a Battle royale. it's not supposed to be fair. You can improve and get good enough to roflstomp everyone that enters your sight or you can adjust your strategy and think twice before engaging everyone you see. But complaining about wanting to roflstomp everyone and not having the skills to pull it is kinda.... sad.
"But quite frankly i find funny that the same person complains about 3 party wants lower ttk. What? You realize that lower TTK means that you will DIE without chance to fight back when you get the 3 party right?"
Where you are wrong is, I never said I wanted a lower ttk, just a short lasting buff for wiping a whole squad that keeps my team in the fight and rewards us for the gameplay the actual game is designed for in the first place.
"Also lets not forget that this game is faster and has a smaller map and the only reason why you are allowed to "not camp" as you say is because the TTK is so high, else people would sit in a house like they do in PUBG."
People camp on this game all the time. And the high amount of ttk only helps that. People sit in houses on here, or on the outskirts waiting to hear gun fire to run and clean up.
"You can improve and get good enough to roflstomp everyone that enters your sight or you can adjust your strategy and think twice before engaging everyone you see. But complaining about wanting to roflstomp everyone and not having the skills to pull it is kinda.... sad."
What you, and every other snobbish sounding, other problem with the game having, egotistical know it all in this post seems to continually misunderstand is I've never stated I engage and get punished because of it. I've stated I get punished because I can't disengage because from the very start of a fire fight(intended or not, pursued or not) the situation is literally impossible to escape. It's either try to run and die trying, or fight and die from the 4th or 5th squads attempt at clean up. If my squad mates and I are good enough to literally take down 4 squads in a row within 1 or 2 minutes, skill needs to stop being brought up and questioned.
"Where you are wrong is, I never said I wanted a lower ttk, just a short lasting buff for wiping a whole squad that keeps my team in the fight and rewards us for the gameplay the actual game is designed for in the first place. "
Wrong. the gameplay was designed to be a battle royale, where people will use their smarts as much as their aim to win. That's the entire point of having so many teams. You like to win through superior gunplay is fine, but you can't take away the option of winning by the smarts.
"People camp on this game all the time. And the high amount of ttk only helps that. People sit in houses on here, or on the outskirts waiting to hear gun fire to run and clean up. "
No they don't. There's a reason why often there's less than 10 squads alive before the first circle close.(Granted that changes from server to server)
Very often people hear gunfire and went in the direction TO find a fight, not because they were waiting it to happen.
"What you, and every other snobbish sounding, other problem with the game having, egotistical know it all in this post seems to continually misunderstand is I've never stated I engage and get punished because of it. I've stated I get punished because I can't disengage because from the very start of a fire fight(intended or not, pursued or not) the situation is literally impossible to escape. It's either try to run and die trying, or fight and die from the 4th or 5th squads attempt at clean up. If my squad mates and I are good enough to literally take down 4 squads in a row within 1 or 2 minutes, skill needs to stop being brought up and questioned. "
It can be questioned because you are complaining BR stuff in a BR game. You might be good at aiming but you clearly sucks at smart thinking and tactics.
It's quite simple to disengage from a fight, but you need to plan that BEFORE you fully commit. One thing is taking a advantageous position and set up the escape route. Another is jumping in the middle of the enemy squad or entering the house they are using as cover and deciding to run.
You make it sound as if you are playing this game as if it was an arena shooter. What it isn't. It's a battle royale. You can learn how to play a battle royale, that as i stated is more than good aim, or you can keep complaining about Battle Royale stuff in a Battle Royale game.
And the first thing you need to learn is that when you get third partied and died it was unfair. Because that's ok to be unfair. that's the point of having 20 squads in the map.
Staying at the edges of the ring only to go in when you hear gun fire so you can clean up is not smart. It's simple, cheap, and boring. That game style is used in every other BR, but most other BRs give everyone the fair chance to counter it.
The reason so many squads get wiped so early is cause most squads drop in the same exact area fighting for insta, worth while gear.
And very often people ARE waiting for it to happen.
It's not quite simple to disengage from a fight on this BR when you are already cornered by three of four incoming squads from multiple parts of the map, if not already in combat with two of them. One squad sniping you as you actually try to run, the other waiting right around the corner for you to run into them.
Yall keep trying to make everything seem so clean cut, but keep bringing up the fact that it's a BR, and no BR I know is clean cut. Are yall playing games with zombies in bear traps, literally?? Is it really as simple to yall as thinking, "I want to run away now," and just do that, no problem? That's cool. But from my experience, 80% of the time it doesn't work that way.
Staying at the edges of the ring only to go in when you hear gun fire so you can clean up is not smart. It's simple, cheap, and boring. That game style is used in every other BR, but most other BRs give everyone the fair chance to counter it.
This one does a better job because when they back stab you it's unlikely that you will just drop dead like in others BR. And you might find it boring, but it's a tactic. You like it or not. Also shows how you suck at tactics. If you just "RUSH!" to the center of the ring you will find yourself out geared by people that, by chance, dropped there. That's why people fight their early fights then try to loot before moving to the center of the ring. There's no reason to handicap yourself by rushing to the center without being geared.(And facing people that is geared)
The reason so many squads get wiped so early is cause most squads drop in the same exact area fighting for insta, worth while gear.
And very often people ARE waiting for it to happen.
Yes. And yet you say they are camping. What makes me wonder what is your definition of camping. Are you one of these guys that see someone and blindly shoot at them or run straight at them, without giving a damn about where you are and where they are? If so that explains why you find so hard to disengage.
It's not quite simple to disengage from a fight on this BR when you are already cornered by three of four incoming squads from multiple parts of the map, if not already in combat with two of them. One squad sniping you as you actually try to run, the other waiting right around the corner for you to run into them.
And i'm sure they are all working together to fight against you specifically. And for sure you are not shooting at them when they are shooting at someone else, what would explain how you can "easily take out 3~4 squads"
Yall keep trying to make everything seem so clean cut, but keep bringing up the fact that it's a BR, and no BR I know is clean cut. Are yall playing games with zombies in bear traps, literally?? Is it really as simple to yall as thinking, "I want to run away now," and just do that, no problem? That's cool. But from my experience, 80% of the time it doesn't work that way.
Not to repeat myself but: That's the point of a BR, that's why people are playing a BR and not an arena game. To have so many variables that shenanigans will happen and you try to make the best of it. You will 3 party people, you will get 3 partied. How you react when it happens is what matter in BR.
You should always think about the possibility of being shot in the back before engaging someone. So instead of jumping down/leaving the house you are and rushing the enemy in the middle of the river it might be a better idea to try to take them from there, inside the house, even if it means they will simply run away. So if a 3 squad is watching you and decided to engage in you, you can bunker and fend them off or disengage.
Notice how there was 2 choices, but if you choose to reduce their chances you also reduce yours.
But i imagine that you are the player that jump down, rush them. invade the house they are in and suddenly doesn't understand why there's 3 squads shooting at you. Thus why in your text apparently everyone is just waiting for you. And why you find so hard to disengage.
Like i said dude. You might be good at aiming, but you clearly don't know * about tactics or smart thinking. AND BR is as much as smart thinking and tactics as it's about aiming.
@TrueDivinorium Yo, you.. need.. to.. stop.. assuming.. the most
I never said I rush to the center of the ring, especially not under geared. People camping are those who stay at the outskirts, trying their best not be seen, or hiding in buildings waiting to hear footsteps and gun fire. That has nothing to do with me answering why you believe so many squads die early on. I never said it was easy taking down 3-4 squads. What do you think I'm doing to take them down, bomb rushing them all and shooting them all at the same exact time? And no I'm not one of those give away my position to get set up type of guys, and I'm tired of you snobs talking down like I am one of those who just so happen to have good aim with no dam sense. My aim isn't even that great, just good enough to fight a good fight. I use the best on the spot tactics I can to keep me and my squad mates alive as long as possible though whatever amount of fighting we may be encountered with. Stop assuming crap and putting words in my mouth(posts).
Then you need to stop answering and think better what you are writting.
"What you, and every other snobbish sounding, other problem with the game having, egotistical know it all in this post seems to continually misunderstand is I've never stated I engage and get punished because of it. I've stated I get punished because I can't disengage because from the very start of a fire fight(intended or not, pursued or not) the situation is literally impossible to escape. It's either try to run and die trying, or fight and die from the 4th or 5th squads attempt at clean up. If my squad mates and I are good enough to literally take down 4 squads in a row within 1 or 2 minutes, skill needs to stop being brought up and questioned. "
Yet.
"... I'm just so, so, so, so, so so so tired of fighting down to my last bit of health because every squad remaining in the game decided to call a truce to take on my one squad, and dying from a clean up crew that put in no work to achieve a honest victory."
So they called a truce but you didn't, you were the honorable one. That's why i assumed that you were the l33d player 2k19 with the aims.
"People camping are those who stay at the outskirts, trying their best not be seen, or hiding in buildings waiting to hear footsteps and gun fire"
That doesn't happen/it's extremely rare.
I had victories where my squad killed 3 guys, the last squad, but it was because we dropped far to get equipment, to avoid bringing fists to a gun fight, and ended not finding anyone for the rest of the match. Even when moving to place to place.
And don't take me wrong. I know that this strategy is a thing. In this topic https://answers.ea.com/t5/Legends-Feedback/Legend-s-Tier-list-lemme-hear-your-opinion/m-p/7454711#M170 3 weeks ago i gave lifeline top rank just because she made it easier.
But that strategy is SO RARE that it's pretty much non existent at the moment and that's why it makes it so strong. If this strategy wasn't rare we would see A LOT of 5 squads alive in the very last rings. And as we know that's never the case.
I'm assuming things because you change your point and your position in the argument every odd post. But the general and for sure answer still: Maybe you aren't as good as you think as you are. Maybe it's your aim, maybe it's how you play, maybe it's your smart. Buy you are losing. And it's easier to try to find why you are getting outplayed than trying to change the entire game so it doesn't happen.
After all you are complaining that people are getting "dishonest" victories simply because they are doing what you do against you and everyone is calling a truce JUST to kill your squad.
PS: If you want to see a lot of "disengage" go on Twitch TV and search for "wootystyle". It's a friend of mine that plays to win. he doesn't camp but he does think twice when pulling the trigger. And you will be impressed how often he does a "tactical" disengage. But that's because his play style allows it. Maybe you can learn a thing or 2.
Also he is a idiot that wants more deadly snipers, less shield and shorter ttk. If someone from respawn goes there: Ignore him, he is a fool.
"So they called a truce but you didn't, you were the honorable one. That's why i assumed that you were the l33d player 2k19 with the aims."
You do understand sarcasm? How are teams going to call a literally truce on a BR? Why are you even focused on that satire statement?
"That doesn't happen/it's extremely rare."
No it is not. I play many games where it's up to 7-8 squads left by the 3 round.
"I had victories where my squad killed 3 guys, the last squad, but it was because we dropped far to get equipment, to avoid bringing fists to a gun fight, and ended not finding anyone for the rest of the match. Even when moving to place to place."
I drop far to find good gear and still end up coming in contact with 3 squads before the 2nd round, all of the time. Matter fact, most of the games I win are due to me dropping far, and my team comes out with an average of 12-14 squads kills. Average. That's a slow game too.
You are assuming things because you don't understand sarcasm, the slight times I used it, apparently.. and you are putting words in my mouth(posts).
Yes but the fact that you somehow brag about something you just complained make all you say pointless. Because you change position every post.
Thats why i have to assume things. Because if i follow what tou write all i know is that you complain if it kills you.
14 players is 1/4 of the enemy pop. To brag about it being a "slow" game you either rush mindlessly or is lying.
The first one explain why everyone shoot at you and you cant disengage. So... maybe learn to not rush like a fool?
PS:i hate writtin on phone.
He wants the game custom made so he always wins and never dies
What did I brag and complain about??
When did I change position about anything??
What else have I complained about besides the inability to disengage when under constant pressure??
12-14 kills split between 3 people is a squad and a 3rd for each person. That's throughout the entire game lasting anywhere around 20 minutes. That's not all at the same time, and that's a reply to you saying you went a whole game looking for people and couldn't find any till the last squad, which I believe to be close to impossible. From my experience.
And like I constantly... keep... saying... over and over...
It's hard to disengage when you get caught by one squad, rather rushed or not, then when you try to reposition you get caught by another squad or two at the same time. You die either way, running or fighting. If my squad is minding our own dam business, then all of a sudden we're gettin shot at, we have two choices, fight or run. Let's say we run, we're still getting shot at and chased by one squad, then mess around and run into another that heard the gun shots. Now we are even more likely to die, and running was pointless to begin with. Let's say we fought instead. We take down the squad that engaged us, but before we can heal or look through death boxes, here's the other squad that we would've ran into from running away. Let's say we try to run from them, same result as if we ran from the first.. but if we fought them and won, we'd be almost completely drained by then. Then a third squad comes to clean up while we're trying to patch up. Definitely no way in hell we could run from them with no health or resources. So if we fight them and make it through all that still.. Just for a squad that went the whole game and "somehow" managed to see no one, as you say.. to clean us up with ease.. CHEAP. All I can say.
you just described battle royale. This is a battle royale. It's never not going to be a battle royale. Go play something else
I've literally stated other BRs have fair ways to counter this tactic. Read through the dam posts before replying with rude Bs. And people can eat a whole * with that "just leave" mess. How bout everyone complaining about everything else just leave as well? Cool.
yeah like being able to build a 5 star hotel around yourself to avoid a fight? forget that garbage
No, I actually never gave Fortnite a chance because of that mess. I mean everyone having ways to trap, smoke, run while healing, or escaping decently fast.
@capnbcapnm wrote:No, I actually never gave Fortnite a chance because of that mess. I mean everyone having ways to trap, smoke, run while healing, or escaping decently fast.
How many Battle Royale games can you escape decently fast? I play lifeline, a character that has 0 ability to elude enemies and don't really see your point. Maybe they could've had smoke grenades in the game and changed bangalores ability??? I like having charcaters that change the flow. In games like pubg I find it roughly the same to disengage a fight with 2+ teams even with smokes. One will most likely be right on top of you when you try to move because they're flanking you. If the 3rd-4th party is smart they will have most escape paths cut off enough to where it won't matter in any BR game you play. If this is not your experience in BR games you must not play very many or against many people with any sort of strategy or skill. Get over it or go play a game you like?
Every post you change of opinion.
You complain about everything, like 4~5 party yet you brag how you can kill 4 groups so that's why your squad obviously know how to play.
"I drop far to find good gear and still end up coming in contact with 3 squads before the 2nd round, all of the time. Matter fact, most of the games I win are due to me dropping far, and my team comes out with an average of 12-14 squads kills. Average. That's a slow game too.
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So you are telling me that you drop far from other people, yet still has 14 kills in a slow game? Buddy. you REALLY don't have any idea what you are talking about huh.
https://boom.tv/codered
That was the tourment code red. Go in brackets. The average kill per game of people that NEEDS to kill to win a tourment, with money in the table is 20 squad kills per match.(with the exception of dizzy, but he is his own team)
These guys were rushing like CRAZY to get kills; yet here you are saying that 14 squad kills is a "slow game" when you drop far.(dropping far makes you find and as result kill less people).
And you keep saying the same thing over and over. But you are missing the point: It's a BR shenanigans WILL happen. Yet with a proper play style you can increase the chances of a successful disengage.
Clean up squads aren't cheap, they are playing the game with their smarts. That's not an arena shooter. And that's why you clearly SUCKS at disengaging and possibly at this game as a whole. You are complaining about the core element of the game. A element that you should learn to use and how to deal with it. But it's clear to us that you don't know about this element, because here you are, we are having this conversation. And even when everyone is telling you that is a core element of the game you still call it cheap.
I agree with the other dude, at this point you must be trolling. So.... You should reassess this game and decide if you want to learn to play it or go play another thing. Because you clearly don't know how to play.
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