Ok we have reports, but ...
would it be nice to have also a "kudos" function to praise your teammates ? (only for randoms tho, it would be exploited by triple stacks i guess)
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@XxColdFangxX
I would just prefer that people mic up and when somebody else does something worthwhile (infrequent in my experience) then call it out verbally.
"I'd much rather see something like smite's match synergy...."
This is a different can of worms entirely. I'm that guy who would respond to that kind of manipution with furious spite by making it a point of protest to quit every single match, even the sure wins. Which I have done before for various other reasons. Public shaming as a form of behavior modification is just plain bad psychology, even if it doesn't often produce extreme reactions like mine. Carrots, yes. Sticks, no.
I would just prefer that people mic up and when somebody else does something worthwhile (infrequent in my experience) then call it out verbally.
"I'd much rather see something like smite's match synergy...."
This is a different can of worms entirely. I'm that guy who would respond to that kind of manipution with furious spite by making it a point of protest to quit every single match, even the sure wins. Which I have done before for various other reasons. Public shaming as a form of behavior modification is just plain bad psychology, even if it doesn't often produce extreme reactions like mine. Carrots, yes. Sticks, no.
@reconzero
Never saw it as shaming. Just used it as a potential warning. "Hey this guy left a match recently" so if he leaves the current match, chances were unlikely it was a DC issue. In which case if he left again I do what is done to every person who leaves a match early, good synergy or not, and report them.
Not sure what games you'd been playing for such a thing to turn out so badly, but in my experiences I've never heard anyone called out for having a low synergy.
However I can understand your reasoning. I myself just don't see the issue in shaming someone who rightfully deserves it. (I.e Cheaters)
But perhaps you're correct in that thinking.
Kudos would imply people are thankful. Unfortunately by very nature on internet people are selfish. Every round it is another 1v3 pro wannabe. Hardly ever get someone that says "stay together" or "push together" in positive manner.
Here is a better idea. Automatically receiving points for positive team actions.
- You get points for performing revive,
- You get points for grabbing banner
- You get points for respawning,
But to avoid abuse you can only get them if people not in premade squad otherwise a friend can farm points.
The points can be redeemed for Apex packs and/or Battlepass experience.
People won't do something positive without reward. What if also add in additional reward to above.
Look at Overwatch endorsement system. "Helps you get into better groups" Now imagine if in Apex that meant you were matched with like minded players. You get to not have to play alongside selfish 1v3 wannabe pros, they get grouped amongst themselves.
All players begin at endorsement level 1 and can progress to a max level of 5; every endorsement you receive impacts your endorsement levels. Higher endorsement levels can help you get better groups in the Looking for Group tool. The endorsement level can decay.
An example of rewards being given out
Maintaining your Endorsement Level
The trick of maintaining your endorsement level is playing Overwatch frequently and most importantly not leaving matches prematurely.The best way to encourage team play is to think of the worst things a human being can do and design game mechanics to counter it.
Here is a quote from Overwatch forum the effect it can have.
- @PeterN_UK
"Look at Overwatch endorsement system. "Helps you get into better groups" Now imagine if in Apex that meant you were matched with like minded players. You get to not have to play alongside selfish 1v3 wannabe pros, they get grouped amongst themselves."
This is an idea which could yield positive results in an arena shooter like OW2. But in a battle royale, where the game is so much more complex, and where there are, at any given time, multiple paths forward, you will often not be able to find concensus. Even within a three-man squad. So if one player refuses to go along with the other two, is he wrong merely for being in the minority, and hence over time earn a low endorsement level?
The problem with all these systems that people have put forward is that they don't reward people for making the right decision, only for making the popular decision. And in this game that means dropping frag and running in circles until dead. Hence, all these systems reward stupidity. And the OW2 system would actively penalize cautious, thoughtful, and restrained gameplay. At least in the scrub lobbies where I play.
Oh, and also, "People won't do something positive without reward," is shockingly cynical, if only because it isn't 100% true. 90% true maybe. But not 100%.
@XxColdFangxX
The thing I keep coming back to is the same thing I've said a million times on these forums. This game needs matchmaking that prioritizes playstyle. Players self-report a few datapoints like "level of aggression," "team-oriented or solo," "lead or follow." Then let the chips fall where they may. It couldn't possibly be any worse than the "skill-based" system we have now, and my guess is that it would be a whole lot better. Maybe not in terms of outcomes, but at least in terms of attitudes. Which seems to be what "kudos" and "endorsements" are all about anyway.
Just a thought.
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