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Midnight9746
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5 years ago

Once Again | Mastiff

8 meters away, bam 112 "shotgun" damage. Yeah in real life shot guns do a lot of damage, but you basically have a gun that can one shot no armor players, two shot white -purple, 112+112 = 224, which is basically a screwed red armor player. No matter who you play as, somehow people can deal high damage, any range, with the Mastiff, even if you got FORTIFIED. What kind of non-sense is this? The only gun that should "one shot", is the Kraber, not a shotgun. I've did the test with the Mastiff VS Peacekeeper. The Mastiff literally did a couple less points in damage, making it an EASY Peacekeeper when you don't have a Peacekeeper or wanna use the high damage + bullet spread that somehow deals high damage, regardless of how many bullets land on you.

Of course when a normal player use a Mastiff, or even when I try to, it always pull the 8-48 damage, no matter how much of the body was hit and how many bullets landed. Game is apparently broken in the hit regs and clearly favors some players over others. There's even times when an enemy fired say 3 times, with any gun, and the death recap says "died in 5 hits" or something more than the amount shot. This too, is a "what the heck?"

I really hope a dev or someone actually addresses the issue. You shouldn't be able to two shot any players down, specially when a pro, (or) cheating player uses it, because they can squad wipe with that 6 bullet mag you gave them.

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  • Grunt246's avatar
    Grunt246
    5 years ago

    Biggest problem with the mastiff is being almost impossible to tell if a cheater is killing with it, see a squad go in a room 6 shots latter no squad, it could be a very lucky or highly skilled player or its a cheater, honestly for the amount of times I'm insta two shot with a mastiff from flanking positions i suspect its most likely a cheater. But how can you report that when its well within the stupid characteristic of the gun. If i get beamed from half a map away with a R99 i know its a cheater. if i enter a building and someone is anywhere in that building with a mastiff and i get two shot , its impossible to know. Thats when you know a gun is broken.

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
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    5 years ago
    @Grunt246 Exactly. Think one way is if they hit most of the pellets from one shot long range, since the shot spreads the pellets, in which most shouldn't hit. Which this what causes the low "15" or less damage markers.

    The problem as well, is that the server is so bad (or cheaters are negating hits, really unsure which) that you can hit some people directly with all the pellets and it does weak damage. Then they can return fire, same distance, and they do more damage hitting the same place. This isn't because of low profile or fortified either. I was someone who didn't have either (Revenant), and was hurt just as much as when I played as a Wraith and Caustic.

    It almost feels at times that people have a reflection perk, that reflects the incoming damage onto the shooter, and its just... ugh...
  • JonasDumac's avatar
    JonasDumac
    5 years ago
    @Midnight9746 I Love when someone slides directly into you and drops you with 2 shots, no matter what you have. If someone with a mastiff charges you Put distance or you will die in a lot of cases.
  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
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    5 years ago
    @JonasDumac Fun fact, a lot of players don't even give you a chance to realize they have a Mastiff, until you're point blank.

    There's three ways to notice the Mastiff:

    - You hear someone else getting shot at
    - You're trying to charge them and they're shooting at you
    - You have snipers or something else, and can see what guns they're using.

    Even with the sniper one, 99.9% of the time for me, the other player isn't going to be in the open or somewhere where I can find out they have a Mastiff until it's too late.

    The Mastiff just needs to be nerfed already, I can be 15+ meters, and players are still hitting me for 42+. I was about 8-12 meters when I took that 112 damage, and further away (with high ground) when I took the 42. In another Mastiff thread, I took more damage to a single shot (like 124 or something).

    I was Revenant, so no fortified or low profile. I've shot the firing range dummies, who should also have fortified or low profile, and I couldn't get that high in damage, no matter how close or far away I was. Honestly don't know what gives.

    I also did damage tests, and found that the Mastiff only did like 11 or so less damage than the Peacekeeper. It's essentially the Peacekeeper, but cooler. Keep in mind the Peacekeeper was buffed when it was put into the care package. So, in reality, it would be doing around the same amount of damage.

    Would you rather have a gun that can 1-2 tap someone with refillable ammo, or one that can 1-2 tap, but can't be refilled with ammo? That's literally the difference other than the Mastiff having a wider spread.

    My chances of killing a Peacekeeper player is higher than killing a Mastiff player. Peacekeeper, you have room to dodge. Mastiff... Eh not so much.

    You can pretty much kill anyone in two hits. Imagine a team all running Mastiff. You'll won't survive at all, because all it takes is two people to pull the trigger for you to go down. The Mastiff has 6 shots. That's 18 shots that can shread you, assuming the player misses or you got lucky.

    Best way to deal with Mastiff players is to snipe or arc star them down. Cuz, like you essentially said, they can out preform any gun.
  • TheApexLegendNu's avatar
    TheApexLegendNu
    5 years ago

    @Midnight9746Honestly Im ready to quit the game, I’m just not having fun anymore the lack of solos is a major part of it but the mastiff is also part of the reason because 1 mastiff is enough and every team having 2-3 of them is bull you can be actually having a good game and get 2 tapped by a mastiff in seconds I watched Jankz or soofar maybe kobi I dont remember just that they were doing amazing to just get 2 tapped by a mastiff at the end with double headshots...

    I just don’t even have the motivation to play this game anymore, I’m at the point I can’t even do my daily quests last night took me forever to do 400 damage with a g7 scout and today i can’t even do 2 assault rifle kills I just don’t have the energy to do anything and my brain isn’t working I can barely take care of myself yet alone 2 spam pingers I just want solos so I can 1 v 1 instead of 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 if it was solos I would of been done with this bull by now but the 2nd+3rd member keep killin me just add solos already before I uninstall

    truth is I’m not enjoying anything anymore, it doesn’t matter what i play Its just not helping everythings boring 

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
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    5 years ago

    Mastiff still needs to be nerfed. This is getting very stupidly annoying. One "hit" = 127. That's like a little less than a Kraber shot if didn't hit the player's head, which already makes it HEIRLOOM TEIR.


    Still needs a nerf. I shot first and nearly emptied the mag. The player just double tabs and I'm dead. That's not fair that Mastiff players can instantly knock other players with little to no effort.

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
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    5 years ago

    I still hope a Dev actually balances this gun. All people are running is Mastiff. You might as well be stuck in a room with no exits, while a Caustic traps and ults on you. Because that's how much you're screwed when a team rolls up on you with a Mastiff.

  • TheApexLegendNu's avatar
    TheApexLegendNu
    5 years ago
    @Midnight9746 They have plans to bring out the peacekeeper soon, so I’m fairly certain they are just going to put the mastiff back into care packages and then bring it back in a few seasons... I just hope they nerf it a ton before bringing it back again

    The 8.1 patch notes are supposed to be 3000+ words so we will find out soon I guess