There needs to be a quit punishment of some kind in this game, or a reward for people who stay in the game. I've had so many games where teammates quit in all sorts of times during a match. Just this last game, we dropped in the pit, our Bangalore took a gun, our Bloodhound wanted that gun, got REALLY upset, then quit. Because he didn't get the gun he wanted. Right at the beginning.
I didn't start the poker analogy and I do try...i have never left a game in a gunfight...EVER... But the other guy tried to equate the rng of brs to the luck of poker...I merely explained that the luck of poker is controllable...you can fold without being out of the game completely...in a br you are done...
The original question was why brs get no respect...
The answer is because they are largely luck based...there is a reason there is no br in the top 3 for competitive gaming...it's because they are not skill based...even if it has sbmm it will NEVER be a true skill based genre...for example in fortnite if true get and cloak drop same building and tfue gets a pistol and cloak gets a pump...99.99999% of the time cloak will win...
In apex if dizzy and shroud drop side by side and shroud gets a p2020 and dizzy gets a Eva ...shroud will lose
Nobody cares about winning a br because it is luck based...
If your the only team to drop artillery and you have a Pathfinder and the final circle ends up ON TOP of the wall....guess what? You win...this has happened to me ..literally won because the other team couldn't get to circle...
This is why brs arent taken seriously...
I am pro sbmm
I am pro solo/duo
@DontSilenceMe wrote:It would still be a br. The main features of a br are fighting, exploring, scavenging last man standing...to elimante scavenging would not destroy nor change the genre in a big way except to eliminate luck from the equation.
As i stated earlier in POKER you decide whether to play your hand or not. If I a crap hand followed by a crap flop I'm gone. unless I DECIDE to play my luck for the turn/river/bluff opponents...should I do the equivalent of poker play in a br? Crap two guns like Mozzy/p2020 ( crap down cards in Holdem )...if my opponents push ( raise all in would be the poker equivalent) should I fight ( call in poker ) or should I quit ( fold in poker )? In poker I would fold . So I should quit the game if I get crap loot ( cards )...cool thanks for the advice...
I am also in favor of sbmm...I'm also in favor of solos/ duos as it would completely eliminate the chance of getting a high lvl troll or XP advanced teammate depending on how they choose to define "skill"... Almost every br will rank a 0 win 10kd player above a 2 kd 50% win player...sorry it's just the way it is. I could never willingly classify a end game cherry picker as more skilled than a 10kd player...the cherry picker will lose to the 10kd 99/100 provided the meet under even circumstances. The cherry picker is more efficient and makes choices better suited toward winning but he is not BETTER than the 10kd player...
But the whole reason I responded was to answer your question as to why brs get no respect . It has been and will be until the removal of rng that brs are largely dictated and influenced by luck. Just the way it is
scavenging what. you said everyone will have the same gear. if you mean just before dropping whats they difference. everyone can melee before the drop.
Dude you are still playing the game. You lose money in the pot from the ante or calling or bluffing... before folding regardless.
well if I had to choose one I would say ranked and unranked modes over solo. if they can do that too fine there is plenty players in this game.
Ad for respecting BR's. IN your case you already stated its cause playing it the way its meant to be played is too boring to you. Well i bet golf and chess are boring to you too. But they are respected by many others. The problem with e-sports is that unlike 100s of years of people getting to know and respect those other games, people will not a try respect new game thats not even respected by the players playing it.
Ugh...ok man here ya go...
If there is not looting there is no luck in this game...it is purely skill based...no " he got a pk" rages...
If you wanna equate a br to poker then time is your currency for a br. You put in time to drop (ante)...if your drop loot sucks ( down cards) then quit ( fold ) ... You've lost 1 min of time ( ante)...start the next game... Like your drop loot ( down cards ) play out the game...not hard to understand
We don't disagree on ranked...solo option would be a step further as I have 0 chance of getting a skilled troll...
I'm actually a pro golfer sporting a 0.2 handicap while injured for the past 5 yrs...I also am very good at chess. I play both aggressively as well...I will try to and succeed at driving any particular 4 under 350 yards from the tips as my AVERAGE drive is 335 yards with a swing speed of 127+...I don't know what a punch out is either...every shot I hit is intended to go into the hole...does it always work out? Nope...but that's how I play...
I'm sorry you don't want the truth but it IS that brs aren't respected because they are heavily luck based AND the skill gap is almost always controlled by devs to allow for the largest play audience. This is why cs:go and ttf2 and bf have smaller player bases than apex and fortnite...the shotty spam build bloom combo has turned competitive fortnite into a joke...there's 0 action until end game because its inefficient...
If youre looking for a slow play game why play brs? Why not play siege or hardcore playlist on other fps titles?
Do you really want everyone to take this mentality? It will destroy the game. If everyone played with this low risk mentality there would be 15 teams in the final circle you'd get that apex syrup start for the end game...sounds fun. Game can barely handle 5 teams in skull town let alone 10 teams in a single 20m radius.
Ugh ok man...here ya go...
No looting no luck...purely skill based
If you wanna equate a br to poker then time is your currency equivalent in a br...invest the time to drop ( ante )...don't like your drop loot ( down cards ) then quit ( fold )...start a new game...drop again ( ante ) like your loot ( down cards ) play the game ( call/check )...
We agree on ranked...solo would ensure that I don't get a skilled troll as a squad mates ...
I'm actually a pro golfer sporting a 0.2 handicap the past 5 yrs while battling a shoulder injury ( torn labrum and rhomboid )...I also play chess very well...I play both agressively...I attempt to drive every par 4 and attack every pin regardless on where it is or where I'm playing my current shot from...
You asked why brs get no respect...I've explained it numerous times. There is too much luck involved in brs to ever be respected as skilled games...play cs or siege if you want slow play. I've never heard anyone brag about a 1 kill dub in fortnite...if I wanted to run around and collect things for 20 mins I would play a mmo or wow or some other tedious lvling crafting collecting game...the truth is there's 60 ppl who drop and my goal is to kill as many as possible...winning is a plus but I'd rather have a 10k 6th place than a 0k 2nd...
Just a quick addition to this, as someone who has been blessed with the constant "crashing issue" going around, it'd be rather ridiculous for them to implement a punishment system to a game with a WELL known crashing issue. I'd instantly quit the game. Any and all the developers would probably agree, they can't implement a punishment for something we can not control. Most the time the "leavers" are not leavers, they are crashers. Just a quick thought for the brain.
I do understand there is a large amount of players who are leaving the game simply because someone isnt high enough level, or played the legend A LOT. But thats a rather small group compared to the mass of us who simply cant control when or even why the game is crashing. One second in game, the next staring at your desktop with no indication as to why.
@DontSilenceMe wrote:Ugh ok man...here ya go...
No looting no luck...purely skill based
If you wanna equate a br to poker then time is your currency equivalent in a br...invest the time to drop ( ante )...don't like your drop loot ( down cards ) then quit ( fold )...start a new game...drop again ( ante ) like your loot ( down cards ) play the game ( call/check )...
We agree on ranked...solo would ensure that I don't get a skilled troll as a squad mates ...
I'm actually a pro golfer sporting a 0.2 handicap the past 5 yrs while battling a shoulder injury ( torn labrum and rhomboid )...I also play chess very well...I play both agressively...I attempt to drive every par 4 and attack every pin regardless on where it is or where I'm playing my current shot from...
You asked why brs get no respect...I've explained it numerous times. There is too much luck involved in brs to ever be respected as skilled games...play cs or siege if you want slow play. I've never heard anyone brag about a 1 kill dub in fortnite...if I wanted to run around and collect things for 20 mins I would play a mmo or wow or some other tedious lvling crafting collecting game...the truth is there's 60 ppl who drop and my goal is to kill as many as possible...winning is a plus but I'd rather have a 10k 6th place than a 0k 2nd...
SO then what are they scavenging?
The reason BR is like poker, is because some amount of luck is involved for the win. period.
SO you don't claim chess is too boring and demand pieces taken count for points? lol I find this hard to believe given your short attention span with BR's. You probably play autochess lmao... OR Unforunately, you are like alot of athletes who just don't consider video games a sport or as respectable as other well established games and sports.
You gave your opinion I gave mine. Poker is well respected. So I disagree that BR is not because luck is involved. I never played fortnite. But your team is not getting a 1 kill win in Apex lol. This is quite the stretch. Yes looting in this game is very much like an mmorpg. SO what? That is actually fun people apparently its not fun for you. And 2nd place versus the win is a huge difference imo. Thats why I don't like PGL's pubg rules of giving points per placement. Wins should be a huge reward compared to 2nd place. They gives points for 8th place which is even crazier. I have 100's of 2nd place finishes in apex. But only a handful of wins, cause that last fight is what matters. But then again the top 3 finishes for apex esl rules make sense. Cause when watching the pro lobbies its a different ballgame. it usually comes down to 4 teams in the end and it gets super intense.
Maybe you should focus more on being less aggressive at times. It doesn't serve well to be aggressive in every situation in golf or BR games or even arena shooters which are far more fast paced than either. Sounding a bit ignorant. Again, the poker anagoly is seriously just not even close. Golf is no closer. The only reason I care about how you play because the reason this is posted... IT'S A TEAM GAME... right now. You coming on here saying "I play this way" makes you sound foolish. If you were complaining stricting of always literally having more skill thats one thing but you're complaining about pretty much BRs in general??? Please go find an anti BR thread or say something constructive please.
@TheeRealist wrote:Maybe you should focus more on being less aggressive at times. It doesn't serve well to be aggressive in every situation in golf or BR games or even arena shooters which are far more fast paced than either. Sounding a bit ignorant. Again, the poker anagoly is seriously just not even close. Golf is no closer. The only reason I care about how you play because the reason this is posted... IT'S A TEAM GAME... right now. You coming on here saying "I play this way" makes you sound foolish. If you were complaining stricting of always literally having more skill thats one thing but you're complaining about pretty much BRs in general??? Please go find an anti BR thread or say something constructive please.
Thats why he is demanding a solo queue. But thats no reason to ruin the matches for those going for the W and playing as a team. Thats quite selfish actually.
Agreed. Saying he shouldn't be punished for not playing as a team in a team game is selfish and childish.
I've yet to complain about the way anyone plays...
AGAIN....the question was why aren't brs respected...the answer is they are not skill based...I'm sorry if you don't like that or feel nobody cares about winning your way but most don't...most seasoned fps players care more for high kill games over low kill W's...evident by the fact that 3/4 of every lobby hot drops to a local straight down, left or right. I'm sorry you don't like how the game is played but it is played that way because NOBODY enjoys looting...
THIS IS THE ANSWER...I don't know what language I have to type it in...brs are not respected on the same competitive platform as other games BECAUSE OF RNG....
bit to say " I play this way" makes me sound foolish is hypocritical since you are doing the same exact thing...
You are LITERALLY telling me that since I don't slow play brs and play them selfishly and aggressively that I'm playing them wrong.
What is stopping you from grabbing a gun and following me? Nothing except your idea of how the game should be played. I play it my way and you play it your way. Yet I'm sure I'll see a response as to why YOUR WAY is correct and MY way is wrong...pls post the hypocrisy...I'll be waiting
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