Re: Aim assist makes this game not fun for computer players

They need to remove the aim assist from controlllers, it's absurd trying to play against good controller players with this advantage.

Talk about an extreme handicap...

Yeah, it's just unfair!

A controller sweater simply has tons of advantages over an MnK player.

But I also have to say that the Aim Assist is simply a part of the controller, I just tried to play on the controller myself and I just can't handle it, in my case the Aim Assist should be even stronger, so I understand the developers.

Soooo... the only sensible way for the gaming industry would be to completely separate MnK & controller players, at least offer a mode where all assistants & handicap systems are deactivated!

EA can easily get global average KD for controller and m&k players. It should be equal. If one of them are much higher then other then something must be done.

BTW, does EA post stats like this?

@SirdodosRidiculous, since ranked is now all about placement!! ahahah what a farce

Aim asisst DIDNT change.

What changed is rank system. So you're telling me fighting less and priorizing placement favors controller? Well that means AA is *.

Pros are little delusional liars, it was proven last year that among Pros at ALGS Mnk was winning over 50% of all fights at all distances, going up to 60% at long range.

https://www.dexerto.com/apex-legends/imperialhal-explains-why-controller-aim-assist-should-be-nerfed-in-apex-legends-1963424/

https://esi.si.com/apex-legends/mouse-keyboard-vs-controller-in-apex-legends

https://dotesports.com/apex-legends/news/why-are-apex-legends-pros-switching-to-controller

@SirdodosYou have 2 options here, input base matchmaking which would devide PC player base in probly 50/50 or disable AA completely on PC which is the route i would take giving that you also have the option to use MnK. But we know for sure that Respawn/EA wont take any of those options, same as they wont do anything regarding soft cheating since they need as many people in the game as long as they can.

by controller you mean rewasd software that lets you emulate a controller while playing on mouse and keyboard, right?

Overwolf has posted stats which state that controller on PC wins more often, has higher KD and higher rank. EA knows this 100% 

I want to update this by noting that no EA staff member has responded to this. Take Dark Zero's shooter or any other pro - you are making a huge mistake. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X_mMr5j-7Uo

I think the most important aspect of the Aim Assist is its ability to provide accurate tracking fire even with muzzle flash and poor visibility. The horizontal Aim Assist is especially powerful. I am a MnK player and I can hardly win in close combat against a roller. I don't think that completely eliminating the assist is a good suggestion, so I suggest the following.

Reduce or eliminate horizontal aim assist.

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Yes AA on PC - though it is clear that console are openly joining PC lobbies in ranked and are doing so specifically because they have an aim assist advantage over 90% of the lobby. 

There is no way on earth if I had the choice on MNK would I willingly join a console lobby (nor do I have the option that they do). https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxw-z5IEYgBbo4sjFZZkwzN6aMNawJoDYf

@EA_Mako @EA_David @EA_Darko @EA_Cade

There is a clear consensus both from professional players, down even to this community - posting feedback that there is a huge issue with this game with aim assist as it relates to mouse and keyboard players in ranked.

I could not under any circumstance recommend this game to a PC user if they did not already use and own a controller (many of which cost a minimum of $150) 

I also fault EA here for neglecting to respond to this thread despite a request and activity on the topic - a community user should not have to scan and @ members when a legitimate, detailed, focused, and active question is posed from the community and the question sits un-addressed. 

Further, you have another user who also has the majority of the community behind them posting on this topic, though as an overarching view of AA and not specific to ranked, and you failed to address this question as well, which is literally the point of posting here, to get actionable information as to a problem in the game from EA staff.

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Aim-assist-makes-this-game-not-fun-for-computer-players/m-p/12995412#M108438

I suck using a controller, 99% of all my gaming has been PC for a long time, so there's no way I could play a fast game like Apex using a controller.

I'm MnK all the way....

Funny that video says that Bangalore is the only thing keeping Apex alive for MnK, Bangalore is the only legend I play too... LOL But it still sucks big time trying to play this game, and I don't play it much anymore.

let's hope they delete aimassist like in overwatch.
it would reduce the amount of cheater a lot aswell since most of them hide behind AA.
but since NA players are mostly AA abusers it probably won't happen.

@WTF_Huitzo Delete AA? I mean sure if it's only on the PC. No idea why that's an option over there and as a Console player I don't care how ya'll tweak your lobbies.

Console should not be allowed to play against mouse and keyboard players with the level of aim assist they have. They allow you to opt out of playing with us, but we do not have the option back. If you willingly join our lobbies your aim assist should be lowered to .4 vs .6. 

And yet with advanced controllers, and fast refresh monitors, why are we focusing on helping only controller new players, have you ever seen a new MNK player on 5.0 sense? It is the saddest thing you've ever seen. 

Strikepacks are sold cheap at stores and EA/Respawn doesn't ban them nor seem to care about any other controller cheat. Of course players think that controllers are superior to M&K. For those of you going, "but this pro player I know doesn't use any controller cheats", that's because the pro player is using allowed in-game settings to fit their playstyle and unlike a lot of these "console beamers", they're ACTUALLY just GOOD at the game. From my understanding, they worry less about aiming and more about movement and outplaying their opponent.

You all keep pointing out that AA is OP because you keep dying to it, when the anti-recoil and other non-sense you're seeing is due to strikepacks, xim, cronus zen, etc. NOT the AA.

As I've said before AA is strong, sure, but its not going to allow someone to 1v1 or 1v3 actual good players. All the "beaming" you're seeing is a strikepack, all the looting while in a deathbox, PC like movement when running around, near perfect aim, etc., that's xim at work. Other things that looks like its only possible with scripts or mods, that would be the cronus zen at play.

Fortnite / Epic games made it bannable to use ANY of these kinds of mods, addons, and hardware, Apex / EA / Respawn needs to do the same if they're really wanting the game to be around for 20+ years like they've planned.

Since people want to keep arguing that AA is too OP without considering other factors, here's some definitions for you:

"Strike pack anti-recoil works by simply applying a varying amount of downward input on the analog stick."

"It's (xim) a USB adapter of sorts. It allows users to plug a keyboard and mouse combo into a playstation or xbox under the guise of a controller. Playing overwatch (and several other games) with a mouse and keyboard on console is restricted, but with a XIM, the game can't tell the difference."

"Cronus Zen is a breakthrough gaming device founded on the rich legacy of CronusMAX, which is universally recognized as the world's definitive controller emulation and scripting technology."

My opinion on the matter is as follows: AA needs some balancing tweaks, but nothing too major, while in PC lobbies, controller players should have reduced AA or no AA at all OR strikepacks, xim, cronus zen, etc. starts being bannable, and allowing players to opt out of cross-play, (although with how many players are leaving the game due to cheating, smurfing, no audio, awful servers, I'd hold off on allowing a cross-play toggle).

Edited: I just played a full match of TDM with a controller, without switching back to M&K, and I ended up with 6 kills, 3 assists, and 1025 damage. If I was using M&K, the stats would of been a lot better since it been a long while since I've used a controller, and I don't even play Apex with a controller to begin with.

In another thread, I've mentioned that the AA seemed to be snapping my aim to targets more, (evidence of that here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/S16-Aim-Assist/m-p/12546117#M104562), now while I was just playing TDM, it didn't feel like that. It felt like if the person was in front of me, I can mostly hit them, but if they move around, my accuracy was much lower, and trying to adjust my aim, especially while ASDing, wasn't easy.

While writing this post, I also played a Gun Run match, but I was back on M&K. I saw a Horizon on console who was mostly missing their Rampage shots. That gun is hard to hit to begin with, but with a low rate of fire, and the fact that I was barely trying to dodge since I was using a G7 Scout, they should of killed me a lot sooner, but it took them reloading the gun to even be able to damage me enough to kill me. They started with a full mag as well, and they were trying their best to move side to side to avoid my shots, (I'm not great with a G7 Scout, I rarely pick it up).

TDLR; Stop blaming the AA for the reason you're getting beamed. You're either standing so still that anyone can hit you, or you're running into players running one of the mentioned cheating methods.

I also try my best to gather evidence and make a case before arguing anything. In the past, I was in the same "AA is so broken" boat, but then started hearing people talk about strikepacks, xim, cronus zen, etc. I've looked into what those were, what those looked like, and watched console players do the things that were possible with those kinds of tools. Players are making AA sound like its the most OP thing ever, while it does need some balancing, its not that strong compared to what players can do with a strikepack, xim, cronus zen, etc.

The only thing I've read so far that I agreed with was what @Sirdodos said, which was: "If you willingly join our lobbies your aim assist should be lowered to .4 vs .6."

@BallisticMVP Technically true. Infact they can remove half the screen and it'll be fine so long as all players have the same handicap. Darken the screen, add constant visual distortions/shaking, make abilities fail to activate 50% of the time or anything so long as it's the same across the player base. It would just be a significantly less playable game.

All of these discussions are pointless anyway.

No one should take Aim Assist away completely from controller players... that's not the point, so stop crying!

We, the mouse & keyboard players, just need a mode where all assistants & handicaps are deactivated!

In addition, the crossplay server performance is so bad that I've been wanting to deactivate it since Season 7! 

I tested crossplay extensively back then, activating and deactivating it several times over a period of weeks. Without crossplay, the servers simply run 100x better!