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@HLNorsemane Yup. Fact is I downed a guy with Devotion with a wingman, twice. that was before the skullpiercer attachment.

Man would I love to know how fast it will be now with only two shots. ^^

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  • HLNorsemane's avatar
    HLNorsemane
    5 years ago

    Ah yes, that just proves everything, doesn't it? "I beat a devotion user with windup time using wingman, must be OP". Your logic is flawless xD

  • @HLNorsemane Your logic is as well. If you were actually playing games, then you would know it's not about math, it's about execution. According to your math thing, devotion would easily beat me with superior DPS, wouldn't it? That was your statement right here (before you come to the idea to edit it)

    "Other guns have more DPS, now THAT is a fact."

    Your words. =)
  • HLNorsemane's avatar
    HLNorsemane
    5 years ago

    Yep. And I used R99 as an example as it is a relatively easy to find gun, now how many Devotions do you find in a game hmm? Also, devotion is prime noob bait, no decent to good player would keep a windup weapon. Another FACT right there.. Wingman actually has one of the lowest DPS per weapons in the game, yet another fact. Go look up a weapon DPS chart, educate yourself a bit and you'll find that wingman in it's state before this season ranked 3rd from the bottom, right after mozambique and p2020 and seeing how no changes to body shots was made, or faster shooting time, it will still keep that rank. Yet another FACT. 

  • Towards the final squads of a game, I do find quite a few devotions (or Krabers) usually. That can be felt under circumstances such as our entire squad quickly dying, or me going one-shotted with red evo armor. Although thanks for asking, kinda gives me the opportunity to strengthen my statement. Despite the wind-up time, Devotions is a high DPS weapon with which I have scored quite a few kills. Could probably joke about it again and say that's a fact, but I have standards. Wingman does not have a high DPS. Very true. Unlike weapons such as R-99 or Devotion (or R-301, Flatline or Spitfire), it's a mid-speed, high damage weapon allowing for peeking and quick burst fires. In other words, you barely give your enemy enough time to deal any kind of considerable damage. And if you perform such from a good distance away, you can even completely take out the whole enemy squad without taking any damage.

    I was able in my last match to two-shot people. With the new attachment that's now possible up to purple armor if they don't have a good helmet. And yes, that is a very powerful trait of a weapon. I don't need high DPS if two shots are enough. All I need is good timing and aiming, and then I can down people without getting damaged myself.

    Although I can fully understand your statement about high DPS and spraying people with bullets. It's the easiest way to score kills.

  • HLNorsemane's avatar
    HLNorsemane
    5 years ago

    If you understand it then why defend that the wingman needs a nerf? Yes, if you have the attachment and can land headshots every time, (which you can't, not even the most esteemed players like Shroud can) then sure, it is an amazing weapon that can be standing on top of the food chain. But if you do not land your shots in the head, you will only be doing 45 damage per shot. It is a high risk, high reward weapon and should be allowed to exist without the excessive cries of players who are nothing more than decent at the game at best.. 

    It is no coincidence that after the nerf hammering that the wingman took, and even with the buff it received in season 4, that top tier players straight up favored and kept favoring other weapons before the wingman. It is simply because they are better and raises the chances of a win by a good margin. While execution is important, so is optimal damage. And wingman just isn't anywhere near optimal as it is right now, not even with the skull piercer.

  • HLNorsemane's avatar
    HLNorsemane
    5 years ago

    My bad. Was under the impression that you said what you did to justify another wingman nerf. xD

  • Alphabets's avatar
    Alphabets
    5 years ago

    Guys I love this weapon, it nerfed a lot, almost in every single season and this is the first time that other than a slight headshot nerf, it gets a buff (hop up)... maybe let the season pass for at least a week before asking for nerfs?

  • LordloshBang's avatar
    LordloshBang
    5 years ago

    ATM is op. Hop-up its not hard to get. Killing people with 2 shots its just too much. And don`t talk about R99, because Wingman is way better. You have higher speed, while ads, and you are way more accurate at range, and you are doing way more damage.

    Right now Wingman is s***** on all weapons and snipers.

    Sorry but weapon like Wingman should not kill with 2 shots. His damage at season 4 was already too high.

    Lowering the TTK in BR is all wrong. TTK should be high, otherwise this game is going to be a garbage.

  • HLNorsemane's avatar
    HLNorsemane
    5 years ago

    @LordloshBang wrote:

    ATM is op. Hop-up its not hard to get. Killing people with 2 shots its just too much. And don`t talk about R99, because Wingman is way better. You have higher speed, while ads, and you are way more accurate at range, and you are doing way more damage.

    Right now Wingman is s***** on all weapons and snipers.

    Sorry but weapon like Wingman should not kill with 2 shots. His damage at season 4 was already too high.

    Lowering the TTK in BR is all wrong. TTK should be high, otherwise this game is going to be a garbage.


    How do you even get this full of bs? "Killing people with 2 shots" aight wise guy. There is this place called Twitch where a lot of the best players in the world are streaming their game play.. You go there and you find us videos that backs up your crazy statements. I want to see a Predator rank player playing against other Predator ranks and I want to see this player win every game and dropping nearly all enemies he encounters with these 2 shots from his wingman. You know, factual proof that this gun really is as powerful as you say, that this gun is so strong that it makes even the biggest noob so massively powerful that it effectively turns said noob into a freaking raid boss! That this gun is so strong that it makes the player and not the other way around.. 

    You find me a few videos like that (season 3 or newer as that is when the wingman had it's last nerf), which should be relatively easy to find if everything you said is true. Find this and I will be quiet.. But if you cannot, then YOU will need to stfu and stop crying about the wingman. I'll be waiting. And yes, this is a wakeup call cause too many people out there are over reacting about this weapon, acting like spoiled babies who didn't get their candies. Find some dang footage to back up your claims folks, or be quiet.

  • HLNorsemane's avatar
    HLNorsemane
    5 years ago

    @LordloshBang wrote:

    ATM is op. Hop-up its not hard to get. Killing people with 2 shots its just too much. And don`t talk about R99, because Wingman is way better. You have higher speed, while ads, and you are way more accurate at range, and you are doing way more damage.

    Right now Wingman is s***** on all weapons and snipers.

    Sorry but weapon like Wingman should not kill with 2 shots. His damage at season 4 was already too high.

    Lowering the TTK in BR is all wrong. TTK should be high, otherwise this game is going to be a garbage.


    For whatever reason, the response I made previously got flagged.. But I will repeat myself though. Find some videos to back up your claims. Find videos of Predator ranked games where players are consistently downing opponents with only 2 shots from the wingman. I wanna see over half of the players in that match go down that way.. Should be easy if this weapon is as strong as you make it out to be. I'll be waiting.

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