Re: REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !

@II-LAZZARUS-II, being available does not mean that it is okay. It's not about the players, it's about sending the obvious message to devs that YOUR GAME HAS AN ISSUE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Clearly this BS forum is not the forum that the devs read despite the name called FEEDBACK. If you read this thread or other threads, not I am the only one who has this problem. Just a side note that other weapons such as the prowler or hemlok got nerfed for far less. 

Accepting whatever devs do is like a droid in a factory. Doing what we told and shut up. 

Going back to your example... When the whole class gets bad grades because the teacher can't teach or just in the mood for some messing with the students, that's something that needs to be stopped, not just deal with it. Remember, it's a game, it's about enjoying the time spent with it, but when the map is spammed with this cancer mastiff and 2 games out of 3 ends with getting mastiffed, and not even having the chance to fight back, 'cause some noobs thirdparty you and your noob random squadmates go la-la to the other side of the goddamn map, and you barely able to win a 3v1, then some noob hits you in the face with this noob gun, that is an issue.

Yes I know, gEtGuD, but half of the people who say that I'm a bad player well, I can imagine their kdr... BTW I welcome any of them in any game, to watch their pro skills...

Yes, I have more than 2.5k hour in the game as well. I remember the decision where they removed one bar from the shields to shorten TTK. Then they reverted it, admitting they made a mistake. Well guess what, this cancer gun has pretty fast ttk, and it's still here. They push their will on us, players, because they are biased. And I don't like it, when they mess up such a good game.

Once again I write it, because I am patient...

This cancer gun is too easy to play with. WHY, you ask? Well it has a narrow horizontal spread, and for the damage amount, very fast reload time, even without an attachment. Since most of the times people play in the horizontal field, so tracking needs to be done pretty much left to right, this gun needs less tracking while delivering a high amount of damage. 

This is called UNBALANCED aspect of the game. PK was more balanced. Why? It has a cone of fire instead of a wide line, so still requires more precise shots, not just get within 30-45 degrees, and click.

You can call it whining, I call it being aware of the game aspects and not accepting everything they stomp down in our throat. We are a community, we should tell devs if something wrong, but we have no voice, only top streamers have, who are a very small minority of this community. Call me anything you want, but then I call you a droid, you shouldn't be upset with anything in life, just accept that you got robbed, because they can, and no one there to stop them. Hope it gets trough...

@CrashA320It's a free game first of all...look, I understand you, but I just can't agree with all of it, cause I didn't get killed as often with a mastiff. I get more killed by a PK in the days before it was moved to drops then I get today by a mastiff.
I just speak in generell about all of this complaints about guns. Never in my life I did complain about weapons in a game. I hate bunny hopping in every FPS, thats the only thing. But nevertheless, I am not making one thread after another here cause of that.
I've learned to deal with it. Thats all, try to adopt, and just accept that this can happen. You can't win every 1vs3, and be upset if the 4th guy knocks you out with what ever gun he had used.
It's good enough that yo've managed to kill 3 other people, before get killed by the 4th one. How often did that happen in Apex. For me, not that often. Yes, it's annoying but thats the core of the game. The other two of you teammates are not for joy, they have a purpose, and fighting alone is always risky, no matter which weapons your opponents use.

@CrashA320 Comments like these are why I can't take the Mastiff vs PK debate seriously. The Mastiff does have an insane fire rate (with the purple bolt) and that does make it easy to just spam without aiming. The wide spread of the gun is more of a negative than a positive and typically doesn't land you more high damage shots. Just like the PK your target has to be relatively centered in front of your gun to land those high damage shots.

So unless your target chooses to walk into the center of your shots you do actually have to aim. I'm not saying shotguns take much skill but you're not landing high damage shots if your target isn't near the middle of your crosshairs.

@RandomMees This is why I want to see how the PK does in firing range without being a care package weapon. Memory tells me that a PK shot could hit for 110 damage max without the choke. Fully choked it could blast through purple armor and a bit of health so at least 130-150 damage. The Mastiff was doing 165 damage when it was a care packaged gun. Memory can't be trusted so I really wish I could be sure of those values.

Made a short video about this cancer gun's "range disadvantage"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGAvITyts00

Everyone should draw the conclusion...

And another one comparing to 2 snipers...

Why do we even have other weapons? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRyPjbrJxk

@CrashA320 Saw the Mastiff consistently hit for 78 damage on one of the targets and started to think it was a problem. Then I saw you hit the dummies for 13-26 damage at that same range and realized the 78 only happened because it was a bigger target. That damage is low enough that no individual shot is a real threat and loses to any decent SMG or Assault Rifle. The rate of fire with a purple bolt is still the only thing that looks concerning with the Mastiff.

I'd be happy with a range nerf too but no video ever shows it being a consistent ranged threat. Just a lucky weapon you can spam at a distance to be annoying.

The amount of damage should be 0 on those targets...

The latest patch nerfing the mastiffs damage is live. I wonder if the mastiff can still do this.

Mastiff is still OP, they should reduce the spawn rate!
Picture before S8 Chaos Theory Update... but they only reduce from 13 to 11 so there is not a lot getting better.

@WreckingVi They likely don't believe the gun needs rebalancing yet. It may badly need a nerf but the arguments in favor of that are mostly bad. Made even worse by people who wanted to switch it with another gun that the community complained was OP ages ago (PK).

I'm starting to lean towards it being a problem but I lose interest every time someone mentions the Mastiff's fighting potential at range.

you can do 106 dmg with a trippletake in close range also...

so what is the point?

it is a shotgun and therefor HAS TO BE STRONG in close combat.

within Apex Legends, there a plenty of really strong weapons.

Charged up Sentinel headshot through Rampart cover deals 216 damage.

yet noone useses it. as well as the legend.

so there will always be situations in which you will face off something you will find imbalanced in this very situation.

one last thing: 

if you had grabbed the mastiff, and the enemy had gotten the RE45, you wouldnt have posted this here. i am sure. 1000000%