Those are videos from PChttps://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/haf32f/when_they_tell_you_aim_assist_isnt_that_strong_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=sharehttps://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/evvxb9/this_is_how_aim_assist_looks_on_pc_not_the_same/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=shareI don't know if aim assist is the same on console but on PC aim assist will lock on target and then follow it, aim assist not only slows down your aim, tracks the enemy softly too, that feature is helping a LOT to controller players that instead of predicting movement like M/K with average response time of 130-200ms, the aim assist will track for you with 0ms of response time, that's the primary advantage of aim assist over m/k, that's why there's a lot of Controller players on top 500 Preds, and that's why PC Pro Players complain hardly about Aim assist.With crossplay enable, it needs to be removed at least on Rankeds and tournaments.

@audiofilomx There's a psychological aspect to this. I would assume this comes straight from EA.If you implement low-medium powered aimbot, children and people who don't game with keyboard/mouse will feel like they're really good at the game.Getting people, mainly kids, addicted to your game by giving them easy access endorphins with aimbot, is the same strategy FortNite used.Apex was built solely as a cashgrab by EA to try to get some of that FortNite money, so its not surprising they copied built-in aimbots.Now if the developers are smart, they'll see they have a great game on their hands, with lots of potential that's ruined by aim assist. If they're really smart, they'll foster a fair ecosystem for player enjoyment/retention.But this 'is' EA. They tend to force studios to do horrible greedy things to try to force more money out of their games. Then fire the studios that can't deliver on EA's signature low effort cashgrab concepts.

@NewfeelinQc How you will know if someone is on a controller? The only way to know is when you are already been beamed by one.The pros and * argument is very used and bad, aim assist works at midrange too, 90% of the fights on Apex are Close-mid range Combats.AIming is the primary advantage on ANY FPS, movement and game sense are secondary, just see cheaters(really bad players) destroys pro teams only because they can land every shot, obviously aim assist is not an aimbot but for sure is way too strong (just see my video, tracks people by itself)Controller the way is tuned up right now in games like Fornite, Apex, Halo and CoD outperform M/K in the most essential thing of ANY FPs "aiming", Snipedown got the kills record on tournaments against the best players in the world, he's good player, he knows the game, but most important he knows how to use Aim assist, at that level of skill, any advantage will be huge, that's why I'm only asking for removing on Ranks and Tourneys.(And in case that you're saying that only 1% of controller players reach that level you're wrong, every tournament there's more and more full controller players teams, the amount of controller Preds on PC is huge, if M/K is so superior why controller is absorbing all the top 500 on PC?)

@4ccbf460f7b926b1 i always thought like you, EA is very greedy, they need a Noob friendly game, because everyone, even bad players will enjoy the game and will spend money on it, that's a good business for sure, that's why i only want aim assist removed from rankeds and tourneys. I have hope haha

@4ccbf460f7b926b1 Yeah cause everybody knows that the aim assist idea came from fortnite eh? Aimbot only kicks in at close range. If you're that afraid of controller players, avoid close range combat. If you push be smart about it. A controller player is so easy to melt cause they dont have the movements of a mouse and keyboard player. Both have pros and * but i agree on one point, aim assist is too strong, but if you remove it completely, a controller player doesnt stand a chance against a m/k player.

@NewfeelinQc I get your point, FortNite didn't invent aim assist. But FortNite was the gold rush for this genre, and everyone tried to get in on the FortNite money.Now that they're adding cross play, they're at a crossroads. There's so much cheating, recoil scripts, aim assist abuse, console mouse and keyboard aim assist...My guess is that they fix nothing. But I hope I'm wrong.

REMOVE aim assist now that crossplay is a thing

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HollowProphetsu
4 years ago
@audiofilomx Your brain dead
NitromethaneAP
4 years ago
As a PC player I do not like automation's. One of the fun aspects of playing this game on MnK is that movement is key, you duck dive evade in gun fights. But the problem is that movement wont matter at all against aim assist, it will keep tracking you - on mouse you predict aim so you will miss shots when someone is moving sporadically. The fix is easy, make PC aim-assist miss more shots when people are moving sporadically.

Why MnK players get tilted by controller players is that having a good aim with MnK takes light years more in effort, and the hardest part is having a consistent aim. You can fine tune your aim for 10 years or what not and still get lazered by someone on a controller who spent a week playing with the medium.
I think a good change would be to make aim-assist more natural, when people move sporadically it should miss more - perhaps give them a compensation with a fast button to armor swap from friendly/enemy boxes.
Problem I have with aim-assist, is not facing xbox/ps4 players but when facing someone with a decent PC rigg on a controller - it is like facing an aimbot (in close range).
The other day I got lazered by a horizion PC controller player as they uplifted while going up in the air - thats pretty hard for even the best MnK players to do.
Issue is that I have to play like I am facing an aimbotter vs a PC controller player in close range, and I have to always second guess (is that a controller player or aimbotter, can I push or not - if its a gibby PC controller player I wont be able to push them alone in close range). And that kind of screws you up. I like playing this game full on going in blazing, but when I always have to second guess It really ruins the flow of the game.
TheApexLegendNu
4 years ago
@Tom0ve I didn’t read everything but It did feel like I had slight aim assist when I was using my mouse and keyboard acc... it was just as random as my controller acc one min a laser next min everywhere
Tom0ve
Legend
4 years ago
Nothing about Crossplay on PC. 😢
https://answers.ea.com/t5/News-Game-Updates/Switch-it-up-with-the-Chaos-Theory-Collection-event/m-p/10129953#M104

Please respawn... let us PC Gamers deactivate Crossplay!

I just saw the Switch Trailer... Aim Assist²
And believe me, if a kid master a Aim Assist... we will Fail hard.
Don't do the same bad decision like Fortnite.
PC = no Aim Assist, please!
TheApexLegendNu
4 years ago
@Tom0veHonestly nerfing aim assist is what killed Fortnite, the only reason I never uninstalled was because I wanted at least one of the battlepass skins each season but I do admit the machine gun and smgs needed heavily nerfed but by nerfing aim assist instead of the weapons by themselves the only weapons I could effectively use was the burst assault rifle and shotguns, then they nerfed the burst ar to 2 bullets per shot so now I basically just get into peoples faces and 1-2 shot them with a tactical/combat shotgun but they did finally buff the aim assist back up so that the assault rifles are halfway usable at mid range again but you still will only hit a few bullets each clip if your lucky
In chaper 2 season 2, I was playing Fortnite more than I did Apex, now I only get on Fortnite for 30 mins to do weekly challenges and get off because its just not fun anymore and solos used to be ok but now they are 80-90% bots with an occasional real player scatterred in that you won’t run into until the last 5-10 players are left
(I am not joking, the ‘’players’’ are AI)
Tom0ve
Legend
4 years ago
@TheApexLegendNub
Please stop defending this dung(for PC) called "Aim Assist".

I never heared about a "aim assist nerf" in Fortnite, sure, Fortnite also have a lot of problems, way too many updates, since Months my RTX 2070 can't handle that game, framedrops all the time, I also think that Bot-System is a mistake, but Fortnite is a Game Optimized for Kids, so I don't Care!

Apex can't be compared with Fortnite when aiming anyway, third person & first person are different worlds.

In general, Apex is a first person Shooter with a lot more aggressiv parts, kids shouldn't play that!!!
EA should get a pat on the finger because this game offers more and more Content for children, the German language in particular is a disaster from the Teletubbies Studio!
TheApexLegendNu
4 years ago
@Tom0veI don’t know why you never heard about it, it happened right after Ninja and SypherPK cried about it in their videos... no surprise game developers always listen to their main streamers over the playerbase

It recieved a 30-40% nerf... I don’t exactly remember the exact number I just know it was substantial enough that it doesn’t even work now... I play the game pretty terrible the way it is now and without any aim assist at all I would be forced to uninstall the game so of course I am going to defend it after playing with it for 8 seasons... if you are wanting console’s aim assist toned down to match pc’s aim assist then go ahead it doesn’t affect me but using a controller requires a ton of skill because mouse and keyboard users have a full range of motion while a controller only has 2 sticks which often is too far or not enough and its difficult to get the precise aim you need while on my mouse and keyboard account I was getting precise aim easily at mid-long range I have been practicing on controller and lowering my sight sensitivity as helped but I am still not as good as my mnk acc with snipers and g7/hemlok/3030 and eva 8s
note: its not something they would ever put in patchnotes, so the only way to know is when a leaker posts the file changes like ilootgames said console had 60% aim assist while pc only had 40% about a year ago but he hasn’t updated on that in awhile
afishthatvapes
4 years ago
Exactly my issue with aim assist.
Why do people automatically assume we mean "it's like aimbot!"
We're not saying that. But that "stickiness" it has when changing directions IS INHUMAN. When strafing, it's literally impossible for a human to track your movement change INSTANTLY. There is a delay where you have to first FLICK and then you can track.
With aim assist it sticks so when you change directions it compensates for the reaction delay. It's unfair entirely and makes you have to play the game differently.
Easy fix? Just allow us to opt out of crossplay. Everybody wins. Whether or not you folks saying aim assist actually works or not it won't matter. Us who thinks it DOES can opt out. And those who think it DOESN'T can still play crossplay.
ONYX23XD
4 years ago
@audiofilomx I see why you would want that but in reality without aim assist it would be almost impossible for many people to play due to how sensitive the controllers joysticks would be without it. What I do see as a problem is the ability for players to have ALC settings. This might be the reason for which many PC players think aim assist helps out more than it should but in reality it is just people using ALC settings to make it to where they have no recoil or have to do very little to control it. If anything should be nerfed or removed it should start with it being the ALC settings.
MyPaperTiger
4 years ago
@NitromethaneAP

This is a super underrated reply/comment right here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/REMOVE-aim-assist-now-that-crossplay-is-a-thing/m-p/10113377/highlight/true#M74215

It speaks to exactly what the problem is, with empirical evidence tied to response time and connection delay. This is precisely why playing against controller players is a nightmare for PC players.

I grew up on twitch shooters where movement was key (think Quake 1 and Doom), so it's my bread and butter skillset in all FPS games now -- my tracking is pretty subpar, especially on ADS. Against a controller player with aim assist, my movement skills are neutralized and my only chance is an evade and flank, which heavily relies on the map settings.

So, control the gap you say? Keep them at mid-to-long range for engagements? Great. However, that is completely counter to the meta of Apex, which prides itself on third-party and attack closing speed.

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