Remove Kings Canyon
The map is way too small. If you start a fight, every team across the map converges on your position. You don't even get chance to heal, its just one team after another, after another. If you use a...
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@Stevoyd
Artillery may be an edge drop, but even an edge drop is bad if it's the first available POI on the drop line. I don't know if you've ever delayed your drop and turned around while still in the drop ship to watch where and how other people jump, but it's instructive. In my experience being first out of the ship is bad, edge or no. Being last out is usually good. Center of map, bad. Major point of interest anywhere other than late and off the line, bad. People like center because they think they'll save themselves a long, hard rotation. What they save themselves is the ability to loot effectively. If the size of King's has any upside, it's that a knowledgeable player can traverse the map around the edges and still make a corner-to-corner rotation. That's much harder on Storm or Moon.
And I get wanting to drop where at least one or two other squads drop. It's a shooter and people do seem to want to shoot. But the longer you put off the fight then the better off you'll be. Statistically. And in terms of loot. Food for thought.
Artillery may be an edge drop, but even an edge drop is bad if it's the first available POI on the drop line. I don't know if you've ever delayed your drop and turned around while still in the drop ship to watch where and how other people jump, but it's instructive. In my experience being first out of the ship is bad, edge or no. Being last out is usually good. Center of map, bad. Major point of interest anywhere other than late and off the line, bad. People like center because they think they'll save themselves a long, hard rotation. What they save themselves is the ability to loot effectively. If the size of King's has any upside, it's that a knowledgeable player can traverse the map around the edges and still make a corner-to-corner rotation. That's much harder on Storm or Moon.
And I get wanting to drop where at least one or two other squads drop. It's a shooter and people do seem to want to shoot. But the longer you put off the fight then the better off you'll be. Statistically. And in terms of loot. Food for thought.
@reconzero"And I get wanting to drop where at least one or two other squads drop. It's a shooter and people do seem to want to shoot. But the longer you put off the fight then the better off you'll be. Statistically. And in terms of loot. Food for thought. "
I agree with your thinking, but at the same time this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing.
Some people on my team want to engage immediately so that they can rack up damage. I have only broke 1000 once, but I have seen others break 2k and they are very aggressive. I love playing with them when they work as a team with me, because they help me relax and I can do some real damage with them.
But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot.
I kid you not, once a teammate rebuked another teammate of mine for finishing off an enemy. His comment was, "Let them heal!" He found them to be noobs and wanted to rack up as much damage as he could.
So funny.
- @MrGreenWithAGun
"But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot."
I know. They are almost always the hack on a suicide mission. I have to assume that in every match. In the rare instances where it's a "superior" player, they're still playing their own personal meta without regard for the skills or strategies of their squadmates. The only thing more dangerous to me than an inexperienced squadmate is an experienced squadmate. Wow, that's pretty nihilist even for me!
"this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing."
Most of the people in this game don't even believe that winning is an option so they play strictly for damage and kills. The irony. They don't even realize that the harder they push those stats the farther away they push the win. Unless you're Timmy or Aceu, and then you can pretty much do whatever it is you want.
I will never understand the "damage and kills" mindset. I understand it exists and I understand how it works and the behaviors it produces. But to me that's like entering a marathon in order to see how fast you can run the first hundred yards. Utterly and completely pointless, imo. Don't people ever get tired of losing?- @reconzero I see your point. I have to admit, my focus is on damage and kills, more on damage these days. Why? Because it is a stat that I see in those that play well. It is the best indicator of your abilities. And I have only broke 1k once. I want to do that often, then I will think about the long game.
- @MrGreenWithAGun This is a good strategy. Damage numbers show in an indirect way the contribution you made to the squad. People who can post high damage can always tone it back - like a switch, where passive players can't, because overall they aren't good fighters and never learnt how. You are on the right track. Do not let win stats blind you in the short term. Do what you do and the wins will pile up sooner than you think, and team invites would also become a thing and then you would also be ready to hold your own in all situations.
- @reconzero Well, if you cannot adapt to the "faults" of your teammates what does that say about you as a teammate? The point of the game is to enjoy it. Shooting is part of it. Like it or not.
You have said so many times that you do not help your team mates or share loot, then why should anyone even believe a word that you say? You sound like a bad teammate and somehow proud of it?
You persistently make posts about how you are somehow so great at the game with your win %, yet you do not hold a single badge that showcases skill or even a decent rank? Truth is you and I know you cannot attain those things otherwise you would. You hold comfort in getting some wins, which aren't even that high and like to pretend that it is. Winning is easy, winning while having a good game is the hard part.
Now, if you wanna play overly passive that's fine. But stop trying to sell everyone one the idea. Half the fun is going into fights and coming out on top, and surviving crazy clutches - something you do not seem to understand. If you are so opposed to everyone who plays with you there is a no fill option just for you.
Honestly, this was never even an issue or topic of discussion before you and your friend joined the boards. We all knew the score. Stop trying to convince people otherwise. People play for other reasons in pubs aside from always having to win. The point is having fun, something you seem to miss completely.- @blackeyeriver
"Adapting to faults of your teammates" reads to me like "letting bad or inexperienced teammates get you killed is good sportsmanship." If you say so.
The op's premise is that the map is too small and has too much 3rd partying and needs to be removed from rotation. If that's not an invitation to discuss what's wrong with the map, or more importantly, what people mistake as a map problem, then I really don't know what is.
I'm not going to assume that "overly passive" is a judgment any more than I judge people for being "overly aggressive." Yes, people are allowed to play the game any way that they see fit. Experience tells me that one method leads to success more often than the other. If I yell down the mic at my "overly aggressive" teammates then that's judgmental. I'll let you know when I start doing that.
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