Remove Kings Canyon
The map is way too small. If you start a fight, every team across the map converges on your position. You don't even get chance to heal, its just one team after another, after another. If you use a...
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@MrGreenWithAGun
"But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot."
I know. They are almost always the hack on a suicide mission. I have to assume that in every match. In the rare instances where it's a "superior" player, they're still playing their own personal meta without regard for the skills or strategies of their squadmates. The only thing more dangerous to me than an inexperienced squadmate is an experienced squadmate. Wow, that's pretty nihilist even for me!
"this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing."
Most of the people in this game don't even believe that winning is an option so they play strictly for damage and kills. The irony. They don't even realize that the harder they push those stats the farther away they push the win. Unless you're Timmy or Aceu, and then you can pretty much do whatever it is you want.
I will never understand the "damage and kills" mindset. I understand it exists and I understand how it works and the behaviors it produces. But to me that's like entering a marathon in order to see how fast you can run the first hundred yards. Utterly and completely pointless, imo. Don't people ever get tired of losing?
"But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot."
I know. They are almost always the hack on a suicide mission. I have to assume that in every match. In the rare instances where it's a "superior" player, they're still playing their own personal meta without regard for the skills or strategies of their squadmates. The only thing more dangerous to me than an inexperienced squadmate is an experienced squadmate. Wow, that's pretty nihilist even for me!
"this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing."
Most of the people in this game don't even believe that winning is an option so they play strictly for damage and kills. The irony. They don't even realize that the harder they push those stats the farther away they push the win. Unless you're Timmy or Aceu, and then you can pretty much do whatever it is you want.
I will never understand the "damage and kills" mindset. I understand it exists and I understand how it works and the behaviors it produces. But to me that's like entering a marathon in order to see how fast you can run the first hundred yards. Utterly and completely pointless, imo. Don't people ever get tired of losing?
@reconzero Well, if you cannot adapt to the "faults" of your teammates what does that say about you as a teammate? The point of the game is to enjoy it. Shooting is part of it. Like it or not.
You have said so many times that you do not help your team mates or share loot, then why should anyone even believe a word that you say? You sound like a bad teammate and somehow proud of it?
You persistently make posts about how you are somehow so great at the game with your win %, yet you do not hold a single badge that showcases skill or even a decent rank? Truth is you and I know you cannot attain those things otherwise you would. You hold comfort in getting some wins, which aren't even that high and like to pretend that it is. Winning is easy, winning while having a good game is the hard part.
Now, if you wanna play overly passive that's fine. But stop trying to sell everyone one the idea. Half the fun is going into fights and coming out on top, and surviving crazy clutches - something you do not seem to understand. If you are so opposed to everyone who plays with you there is a no fill option just for you.
Honestly, this was never even an issue or topic of discussion before you and your friend joined the boards. We all knew the score. Stop trying to convince people otherwise. People play for other reasons in pubs aside from always having to win. The point is having fun, something you seem to miss completely.
You have said so many times that you do not help your team mates or share loot, then why should anyone even believe a word that you say? You sound like a bad teammate and somehow proud of it?
You persistently make posts about how you are somehow so great at the game with your win %, yet you do not hold a single badge that showcases skill or even a decent rank? Truth is you and I know you cannot attain those things otherwise you would. You hold comfort in getting some wins, which aren't even that high and like to pretend that it is. Winning is easy, winning while having a good game is the hard part.
Now, if you wanna play overly passive that's fine. But stop trying to sell everyone one the idea. Half the fun is going into fights and coming out on top, and surviving crazy clutches - something you do not seem to understand. If you are so opposed to everyone who plays with you there is a no fill option just for you.
Honestly, this was never even an issue or topic of discussion before you and your friend joined the boards. We all knew the score. Stop trying to convince people otherwise. People play for other reasons in pubs aside from always having to win. The point is having fun, something you seem to miss completely.
- @blackeyeriver
"Adapting to faults of your teammates" reads to me like "letting bad or inexperienced teammates get you killed is good sportsmanship." If you say so.
The op's premise is that the map is too small and has too much 3rd partying and needs to be removed from rotation. If that's not an invitation to discuss what's wrong with the map, or more importantly, what people mistake as a map problem, then I really don't know what is.
I'm not going to assume that "overly passive" is a judgment any more than I judge people for being "overly aggressive." Yes, people are allowed to play the game any way that they see fit. Experience tells me that one method leads to success more often than the other. If I yell down the mic at my "overly aggressive" teammates then that's judgmental. I'll let you know when I start doing that.@reconzeroBro, come on, you know that's not what you mean by these constant comments about "me good, teammate bad", "amen brother, sUrviVaL game" comments. You don't approve of how other's play hence you are being judgmental...calling teammates "drooling idiots" and all or replying with sarcasm to posts..and glossing it over with a "play however you want, I don't care", but you do otherwise you would not bring it up. You choose to play (with random players) a certain way then you get upset when people don't share your view.
"Experience tells me that one method leads to success more often than the other" ---That depends on who you ask. Players who are accurate and good at fighting would disagree, it's all over YouTube, all over Twitch daily and many more aren't public about it. They didn't achieve that ability out of thin air, but you seem to look down on players who are trying to work towards learning or leaning towards also trying to get kills / damage while trying to win. And before you say it's an unrealistic goal, I agree, for most it might be, but for others it is 100% achievable with effort. Can't blame anyone for at least trying things and "success" can mean different things to different people.
"Adapting to faults of your teammates" reads to me like "letting bad or inexperienced teammates get you killed is good sportsmanship." If you say so. ---This does not have to read that way, it's the way you choose to read it and tends to say a lot about your general outlook. We all were new to the game at some point. And I thought the point was to play as a team?
- @blackeyeriver
"This does not have to read that way, it's the way you choose to read it and tends to say a lot about your general outlook."
My general outlook is, I'm pretty sure, the same as any day one player who solo queues. To call Apex matchmaking a mixed bag is being incredibly generous. But if your experience has been better, or if you are more tolerant of other players' quirks, or are so good at the game that you can afford to be so tolerant, then my hat is off to you. My solo queue experience is such that if I try to be a "good teammate" I end up in Fragment 95% of the time and dead in 18th place. If you can have match after match after match end that way and still feel good that you gave it the ol' college try, then my hat is off to you again.
""Experience tells me that one method leads to success more often than the other" ---That depends on who you ask." Sorry, I should have been clearer and said, "MY experience." ImperialHal's experience is irrelevant to me. We are not playing the same game. So please let's not try to tell rank-and-file players that they should be judging their game experience by anything they see on a stream. Completely unrealistic. And no, that doesn't mean I look down on their accomplishments or abilities. It means they have no bearing on how I approach the game.
"And I thought the point was to play as a team?" The point is to win. If you choose a path that is less likely to lead to a win then that's perfectly okay because "success can mean different things to different people." I certainly don't expect to win every match, but I go into every match trying to avoid situations, such as hot drops, where luck is the decider. I know, "Bad player with no aim who camps on cliffs with charge riffle and ruins game for real players." Heard it a million times. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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