REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !

@CrashA320 You're right. Shotguns are a low skill weapon that are typically the strongest in the game at close range. This is typically balanced out by them being weak to useless at a distance. I fail to see the problem here.

Do you want all guns to be equally competitive at most ranges?

Do you want shotguns to be treated as a secondary weapon? Meaning weaker than every other weapon category but useful as a finisher weapon.

Do you want weapons that require more skill to dominate at all ranges no matter how illogical that may be?

I disagree with each of these positions but I can respect them. However calling the Mastiff OP when stronger guns exist in this game just seems silly.

Problem is that it requires no skill. This game is a competitive game, and those usually require skill, not just luck when you are able to sneak close to your opponent who is fighting 3132324876152348756 other people and push a button. That could hardly be called skill. That is rather called frustrating....

If you a fail to see the problem here, then you might want to play the game for a few rounds. I know, talking from the side is easier, come, join me for a matches, you are more than welcome

And to be honest, I see this on this fancy new map happening most of the time. Why? Because shotguns are everywhere and everyone is using them, because it is easy. The map favors mass drops and close range combat. Plus spawn rate for even mid range optics is way too low, not to mention the midrange weapons. That takes away the balanced by low damage at ranges element. Which guns are stronger? Because I don't see any other guns listed as killing weapons this often. Most of the time half of the kills happen with a shotgun. I think that is not balanced.

To be clear. SHOTGUNS SHOULD NOT SPAWN EVERYWHERE ON THE MAP, AND SHOULD BE A SLOWER RELOAD SPEED. LET THIS GAME ABOUT SKILL, NOT TPING ANOTHER SQUAD AND KILLING EVERYONE WITH SHOTGUNS FROM 2 METERS. Hope it's clear enough...

I play this game from season 1, have more than 2k hours in it, because it's fun. But ever since season 7 arrived it is slowly slipping into rage and frustration because of this one thing. I know, Respawn does not give a flying f about me, because I'm just a nobody, so... Too bad...

@CrashA320 Competitive games typically require skill and intelligence. Because I have that view point I'm willing to accept guns that require little skill but carry massive weaknesses. Game planning around how to maximize a tool's strength while avoiding its limits is the intellectual challenge that makes using characters/weapons like Rampart, Shiela, the Havoc/(original Devotion), Longbow or the Mastiff fun.

Dumbing things down to a pure spray and pray meta kills the intellectual challenge even if it does highlight skill more.

Volt, R-99, (current) devotion are all easily better than the Mastiff. Just as deadly close range while remaining strong up to mid-range in comparison to the Mastiff. None of these weapons require much skill at close range either.

If players are sneaking up on you in any situations then you're either foolish or you play on PC. Sound is broken there so I feel bad for you but only fools get ambushed at close range on consoles.

Lastly luck will always play a factor in a game with randomized loot. Hot drop into an area and only find the Sentinel? Sucks for you but you're likely going to die.

Looks like you did not really played the game lately, or not above level 500..

Also you seem to be ignoring some of my points. 

Currently the game is like point and click, because of OP shotguns. I said it like 50 times now... And this is not just luck. If it would be luck, it would not happen to me every single game that some shotgun noob just runs straight in F U mode while I try to kill him with a p2020. 

R99, Volt, and Devo requires attachments to be strong in mid-range combat. In close range combat they just suck hard against a mastiff, or it requires WAY more effort to survive an encounter against a shotgun noob.

And yes, I play on  PC, like I said, you're more than welcome to join me for a few matches to test your idea of R99 is better than the Mastiff.

#nomercyforshotgunnoobs

@CrashA320 The R-99, Volt, Devotion require attachments but they're still strong mid-range where the Mastiff is weak. All four guns are strong enough at close range that I'd need to examine the stats to see which one is actually stronger. None of them "suck hard" against the Mastiff.

I'm trying to keep my posts short so I only bring up points that seem to have value. If I miss anything noteworthy then let me know.

Honestly there's only one thing to consider.

Do you agree that shotguns should have an advantage over every other category at close range? If you agree with that then you believe the Mastiff should dominate at close range but that it does a little too well. A minor nerf may have merit.

If you don't agree that shotguns should win most close range fights then what value does a shotgun hold to you?

Well just got killed a few times FROM MIDRANGE with the damn mastiff without attachments, so this invalidates your first point. Secondly... Have you played the game against 500+ lv players with mastiff with an R99? NO GODDAMN CHANCE. So you can examine your stats, go ahead in the firing range, then go play some games. My assumption is that you don't really play the game, just repeat that shotguns should be op in close range combat. 

I agree that shotguns should have advantage in close range combat. What the F I was saying that they have too much advantage... 2 shots and get killed, even with blue/purple armors. THAT IS F.CKING OP.  Even the devo can't do the job in that time when you move around and hit the target. The nerfed R99 sucks much more. This is what's not going trough... 

I would be perfectly fine without the goddamn shotguns. If you wanna play with them, go play armed and dangerous. That's exactly what it is for. 

On the other hand, I started a new account, and feels like much less f.cking shotguns are around. Why is that? 

In this way I started to humiliate all the new players who play with shotguns to encourage them not to use that piece of junk. If EA won't do anything, players should.

#nomercyforshotgunnoobs

@CrashA320 Let's keep this short. I don't believe you lost mid range against a Mastiff unless you had a massive health disadvantage. Highly unlikely when it does 52 damage a shot MAX.

Yeah an R99 can drop a purple shielded target nearly as fast as the Mastiff. Requires good accuracy but people complained about the R99 for a reason. Insane DPS.

2 shots huh... So? Sounds like a shotgun being a shotgun. Whether that's unbalaneed or not depends on the rate of fire in comparison to other dominant acc guns.

Sentinel fire rate? 2 shot kill is a joke. Wingman fire rate? 2 shot kill may be a problem but unsure.

The main difference in experience could be that you play PC where players are a bit more accurate but I'd expect full auto guns to be even more lethal in those circumstances. Or is it hard to use MKB at close range?

(Failed to keep it short)

Still nothing for the MASTIFF ????? 126 in 2 hits. NERF IT NOW ! 

New season and still nothing for that BS weapon. GG RESPAWN. I never seen a company like this.