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Arkuos16's avatar
3 years ago

Seer needs a rework

Why does seer do like 5 different effects per hit with his tactical, THAT HAS A SHORTER COOL DOWN THAN BLOODHOUND'S, WHO HAS ONE EFFECT? 
It's got:

-Heal interruption
-Res Interruption

-Tracking 

-Health bars teammates can see

-Travels through walls

-Screen distortion

-Ability Shutdown

-Passive shutdown

And he synergizes so well with his other abilities, that getting hit with his tactical is usually a decision between getting shot out in the open to avoid it, or to get tagged (with all the other effects that come with it).
His passive is literally wallhacks, no one can deny that its just wallhacks with a fancy filter. It lets you locate enemies through walls, with no real price paid by you. That's wallhacks.

His Ultimate does the same, but for his teammates too, provided the enemy is doing anything other than crouching around. 
He's not a fun legend to play against, he's not a difficult legend to play against (now that his tac no longer does any actual damage), he's just an irritating piece of crap that unskilled players will use to funnel enemies to their teammates, and skilled players will use to basically call down a tactical strike.


Vantage, the most recent character to come out, and one recon that could still be arguably in need of a nerf, really only does two things with her tactical:
-Relocate herself upwards
-Move to better positions quickly

Her passive does 2-3 things depending on how you want to look at it:
-Reveal enemies in low concealment (leaves, bushes, the like)
-Ping them to her teammates so they can know what armors and legends are being used by the enemy team 

-Have an indicator of sniper bullet drop
(A decent mic could do half of her passive)

Her Ultimate, while powerful, is only as good as someone's shot. If you cant hit your targets, its useless. Its got 5 shots, on recharge, and you need 2 to down somebody. Yeah, it allows you to 2-tap someone, but its the most powerful part of her kit and it doesn't even reveal the players with tags on them to her teammates.

2 Recon legends. One powerful enough to carry a subpar team, the other needing a coherent team with decent aim to use. 

So, I think, a rework is in order. Here are some thoughts on how this could work


1)
Passive:
Toss out the Heartbeat Sensor, replace it with the Noise Sensor. His heart is a bunch of supped up nano-bots, they now detect sound instead of heartbeats. Reloading, moving faster than a crouch (Rev crouching can move without being detected), firing weaponry, Using ultimates. However, he wont detect people just sitting still (similar to how his ULT works now). Yeah, a little more camping can happen, but Seer cant be the only reason people camp
Tactical:
Its on a slightly longer cooldown, and now only:
-Marks targets to track them

-Travels through walls
-Les your teammates know how much health they have

Ultimate:
-Remains as is, but its cooldown is slightly longer

2)
Passive:

Nano swarm. This does a similar thing to how his passive works now, but instead, once a target is hit (one or more targets if he catches them all in the same tactical use), he no longer can use his heartbeat sensing until the tag goes away

Tactical:
Remains the same, save that it now has a slightly wider spread on use
Ultimate:
Releasing the spare nano-bots in his chest, Seer cant use his passive at all until it vanishes. He can still tag people with his tactical, but his passive is caput until his ultimate vanishes. It now stays up longer, but will also mark people with locations for 2-5 seconds after they leave the ultimate, even if they crouched out. 

3)
Passive:
Nano-heart. His abilities work off of a universal fuel bar, similar to Valk. Depleting it fully will result in a much longer cooldown for its use. Using heartbeat sensing will slowly drop it, heartbeat is now activated by the "Character action key".
Tactical:
No longer stops healing/resing. Uses 35% of his maximum capacity, Two uses before a middling length cooldown. This can be used (similar to octane) even if the bar isn't full enough to support it, but cant be used if the bar is in a Long Cooldown from being overused. 
Ultimate:
Fills his nano bar to full, taking a few seconds to charge up (like how Valk has to wait to launch), before draining it completely. Reveals all players in its range upon being tossed down with a brief marker, before returning to its current usage. Its range is larger, and dealing damage doesn't break it, just takes away from how long it has until it dissipates. It also lasts quite a bit longer.

These would make him more of a risk-reward character, rather than the Respawn approved wallhacker he currently is. I reiterate, he's not a difficult character to fight, ala Caustic or Gibby, he's not fun to play against and get the edge up on, ala Horizon or Wattson, he's just irritating and can make or break games because he can literally see through walls.

5 Replies

  • @Arkuos16 I see no way to nerf or rework Seer that will in any way make his kit something other than hacking garbage. His abilities should not only have never been implemented....but should have never been thought up, Leta lone approved. Hacking whether it be from a player using cheats/mods or a Dev creating the very same as a legend ability - should never be.
    I would be fine with Seer as is, as long as his passive was completely removed. I say replace it with scanning recon beacons. Im sure Path would agree.
  • Arkuos16's avatar
    Arkuos16
    3 years ago

    @NickBeam27He could be reworked into a high risk-high reward character. I think that's the only way to do it, right now he's no risk-high reward. Using his abilities should make him vulnerable, or they can only be used infrequently in return for being very valuable.

  • NickBeam27's avatar
    NickBeam27
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Joemanji Its the perfect way for a true wallhacking cheater to go incognito. You tell me how a Dev team dealing with extreme hacking issues such as the ones which destroyed Titan Fall, did not think once about Seer's hacking abilities and what real hackers could do with him.
  • NickBeam27's avatar
    NickBeam27
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Arkuos16 I would be happy with a change such as the one you mentioned above. Like BH... there are costs to using both his tac and ult. Its reasonably balanced.
    I remember when BH was the only scanning Legend. Now look at how many Legends have some sort of scanning ability. Tsk Tsk, what a shame.

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