separate controller and m+kb queue

@reerex @XxColdFangxX The fact that mostly pros profit off it, doesnt mean that the advantage isnt there for anyone else.
Maybe you guys do something wrong on the sticks, i cant tell. But the data is speaking a clear language.

You can argue as much as you want, but you making a fool out of yourself saying its not there.
You guys always trying to divert the discussion, but my statement is : AA is overpowered in close combat situations, im not talking aimbot im not talking movement im not talking any other stuff you guys always try to carry into the discussion. Stop using the strawman. And in the end, you will see its getting buffed 

@r1ggedgameDo
Dude I've been playing on controller most of my life.
I know how aim assist feels in different games and how it feels in Apex.
Again, talking about the pros. Weren't you the one calling people broken records for using the same points?

I'm not saying aim assist is not there. I'm saying it doesn't work as well as everyone keeps making it out to be, if it did, I and a majority of people like me, wouldn't have the issues we have and we'd be a lot better than we really are. 

There's controller players with more experience than I have that make the same arguments, or is their personal experience and my personal experience not valid to you because we don't stream and aren't the top players?

If you can't give any sort of explanation other than what other people are saying and doing, then you really have no sort of argument.
The fact that other controller players say pretty much the exact same thing says it all and you STILL stand by what someone else is saying and doing.
Yet you want to say I'm the fool for my own personal experience, when you can't even give me an explanation based off your own?
Lol. Don't even bother. QED.

@XxColdFangxXi gave an explample with the visual clutter, in the 30K matches i did, i experienced a lot of WTF moments in exactly those situations. Spectating the players afterwards just made me scratch my head numerous times, bcs the aim was simply not there, but somehow they managed to hit me perfectly in those close combat situations. Recoil doesnt really matter at that distance, so a Strike Pack cant be responsible for this.
Youll see, they will buff it ... its just a matter of time as with everything Respawn, just look at the MM situation ... i called it over a year ago, ppl played it down, then it started to affect them too and now Respawn finally wants to change it. 

@r1ggedgameYou’re not getting it. I’m not saying the advantage of AA doesn’t exist, I’m saying the AA “problem” isn’t as big a deal as ppl make it out to be. There are so many factors to consider in a gunfight, I can guarantee you AA is the last thing killing the controller cry babies. Just because the advantage is there doesn’t mean every controller player capitalizes on it. Even in your case. You’re so fixated on AA being “op” that you quickly jump to that conclusion instead of re-evaluating yourself and what you did wrong as a player. Even in close combat, there’s still a lot of factors other than “who can aim better” but whatever. You’re clearly stuck on what pro players have to say, even though you will never attain that level of skill. Keep blaming AA, and stay stuck at the level you’re at. Have a good one friend

@reerexit will be buffed for excatly the reasons i told. just wait and see.
Respawn has a way of handling things when they think something is not balanced they way they want it to.
Happens with Chars getting buffed and nerved only to make them more attractive to get the usage numbers to where they want it to be.
When more Players turn from MnK to Controller they def. will act. 

What you both dont want to realize or just overread all the time, i said not everyone will/can make use of it due to their style of play, but that doesnt mean its not overpowered in certain situations. People will learn to use it like the Pro Players do and this will be the point where it gets buffed.
And btw, who else but a pro player can actually make an educated statement about this ? They are literally the experts and up there they compete on eye-level, which makes it easier to spot an advantage, especially the ones that compete with both input types ...

@XxColdFangxXthe advantage is there for everyone on controller. the system doenst differ between a noob or a pro using it, which itself might be a solution to make it level. enhance it for underperformig players and shut it off/tune it down if you reached a certain KDR threshold

@r1ggedgame
That could be a solution, but wouldn't it also be a relearn process once it gets shut off?
Also to answer your earlier question about pros- everything a pro does is going to look good and look op, and while yes, they do have way more experience on the matter, and can very much spot these kinds of things easier than anyone else, they are not the majority of the player base.

A pro can quite easily pick up the worst gun in the game, use it like a god, and declare it op, when it is in fact, still the worst gun.

And just like I said after I watched that video, the aim assist does not work as well as that for the average player, and that it was basically just click bait, because he did very little to actually voice the reasoning behind his opinion and instead opted for showing something he was perfectly capable of doing without the aim assist. 

And like I also said, if you really want to make the point on something like aim assist being op, you give that controller to a casual player. Then you have that player face off against a pro at close range..chances are, the causal still looses more consistently than they win. 

At that kind of pro level on something that's meant to help the underperformed players, not the pros, it's very much hard to take them seriously because it doesn't matter what the pro plays on, what guns he plays with, everything he does is going to be way much better than the average player, but we're just supposed to blindly take his word for it, despite our very own experience playing on controllers and the issues we all come across with the aim assist?

And when you get a pro saying there is an issue with something the average player base doesn't see a problem with, you get these kinds of conversations, right here.
Also, the problem with using a pro as an example, is that it is not your own experience. When your example is a video of someone else's opinion, it just looks like "Well so and so says snickers taste bad, so I'm not going to eat it."
Your experience would be the 30k wtf moments, but even then, you told of watching the game play. Not playing on a controller yourself-I want to know your actual gaming experience playing on a controller, because then you can accurately say for yourself, "yeah aim assist really helped in that close range fight." Or "no, I didn't really notice anything different from how I usually play."
I've noticed that when I die, and I'm left spectating my teammates, it is so laggy in comparison to when actually playing the game. My teammates say they aren't lagging, but it's there while I'm spectating.
There's so many factors to consider when trying to determine cause of death in these games. Lag, ping, smurfs, cheating, aim assist, aimbot, strike pack, xims, even your own hitbox, or just not good enough and it's very easy to place the blame on something other than yourself because no one wants to believe it was their own fault and ruling out strike packs because it's too close for the recoil doesn't seem viable to me. If you're right up someone's * of course recoil isn't really going to matter as much as it would at a distance, but that doesn't mean a strike pack couldn't still be being used.
I might not be a pro apex player, but I've played all sorts of fps to know good aim assist when I see it. (At least I hope I do) and I'm not a stranger to brs. I've played fortnite. I've tried warzone. Darwin project, spellbreak, apex, pubg, halo gow, COD, titanfall, titanfall 2, so I know very well the basics of a br and how to point and shoot in first and third, each game having its own variation of aim assist and I can honestly say that to me, Apex has been one of the worst.

In my very honest opinion, for something to be OP, it needs to be beneficial to every average player, not the pros who can basically do anything, (or pc players in this case) but every average controller player, in a way that it positively outweighs the negative by a decent amount. 

@XxColdFangxX Tell me how that experience works for you in a week or two because for me it was frustrating. I personally adjusted my settings ages ago and turned off Target Compensation (which I assumed to be aim assist.) There was virtually no change in mid-range or long-range difficulty but close range fighting felt pretty messy which was fine since I wanted to test ranged fighting without it.

Then something weird happened. My sensitivity settings felt like they dropped back to where they were previously and my aim started actually sticking to players in a way it's never done before. It was like the game reset my settings but when I checked everything was fine. I can never feel comfortable with the settings now and won't touch them again.

So I've been tinking with the aim assist off for a little over a week now.
What I won't say, is that aim assist doesn't exist.
What I will say as that as a below average player to sometimes decent, AA hasn't given me much over other opponents, including pc players and when trying to determine if something is OP this is the thing we need to consider. Is it giving the below to average player more of an advantage over the more experienced?

Not how well a pro player can use it.
I was still getting roughly the same amount of damage in my matches without AA as I did with it. Granted, my close range was a more sloppy, but even with the AA I was still losing more close ranged fights than I was winning.
That doesn't say OP to me.
The fact of the matter is that AA exist to even the playing field between console and pc players, if AA were to be completely removed then something on the pc side needs to give, even if AA has to do with aiming, it isn't fair for pc to be able to keep ALL of their advantages while console players struggle to keep up with them.
It's not exactly an easy thing to test either as fights between opponents are so inconsistent due to the * MM. I tried pubs br and arenas, solo quing and joining a friend and ranked matches. I died every match, no wins most of them only ranging about 100 dmg.
One of the things I had noticed in the firing range was wether the AA was on or off, I could consistently hit the moving attacking bots, but not do the same to other players, and when it came to the actual GUIDING of the AA I only noticed it snap once in the target range on an unmoving bot, after that I couldn't get it to do it again.
I also noticed that with AA off, my horizontal look speed was much faster and I actually kept going past players I was aiming at whereas with the AA on, even at a high sensitivity setting, it kept dragging behind.
Turning down my sensitivity with AA off helped this a bit but, * aim is still * aim.
So while none of this was very consistent, it really doesn't seem OP to me.

@heme725
Yeah I didn't really have that issue where it seemed like AA was reinstated, but then again I'm a very casual player when it comes to brs, so maybe if I played more and gained more experienced then it might have happened.