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MayProtein's avatar
MayProtein
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago

Skill matching is not working at all.

Clearly the skills match is not working.
There are frequent occurrences where two allies are clearly beginners, but all enemies are high rank (Master or Predator rank players).
I really don't understand how such a joke of a match can be made that clearly doesn't work.
Can't Respawn even do a basic job like this?

I mean, in the first place, beginner players should be matched only with beginners.
Matching novice players with the rest of the players is just wrong, no matter what you think.

There is absolutely no benefit to the newbie and the rest of the players, and it's the worst kind of matching that makes everyone unhappy.


When is Respawn going to realize that existing and new players are leaving the game and depopulating it because of the trash system that allows this kind of joke of a match to take place?
Or are they just going to let this garbage continue until service termination becomes inevitable?

Frankly speaking, if a game can't even do this level of work properly, it would be better to terminate the service already, to put it mildly.

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8 Replies

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @MayProtein

    "Frankly speaking, if a game can't even do this level of work properly, it would be better to terminate the service already, to put it mildly."

    In theory I agree with you completely. But I've played many, many first-person shooters over the years, and I've never seen one that did any better. Skill-based matchmaking isn't really a functioning algorithm so much as it's a pie-in-the-sky ideal to which competitive games aspire. They aspire but they never deliver. They call it "skill-based," but honestly they should call it what it actually is, which is "time-based," "server-based," "playlist-based," and then, and ONLY then, "skill-based." By the time the algorithm does its playlist sort, its server sort, and then its "OMG I need to start this match five seconds ago" sort, well, at that point there just isn't any time left for a proper skill sort. Average players would still get relatively fast matches, but players at the extreme ends of the spectrum would be waiting for hours. Days. Who even knows? Not trying to excuse, only to explain. My personal preference for a solution would be to design a game without such a wide skill gap, but just try that one on the streamers and the algs kids. It's a no-go. And that's why we live in the world we live in.
  • HappyHourSumwur's avatar
    HappyHourSumwur
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @MayProtein Respawn doesn't understand how to measure skill (they won't tell us their formula so we'll never know) and even if they did, their system only takes it partially into consideration.

    Apex matchmaking is absolutely horrible, especially if there are randoms involved (solo queue or premade duo in trios). The blog post is complete BS . . . they don't know how to fix it.
  • saurerDropsXXL's avatar
    saurerDropsXXL
    2 years ago
    @HappyHourSumwur I agree with you. However, you are implying that the developers WANT to improve something, but CAN'T. In the meantime, I'm no longer sure about the WANT.
  • ComicBookGuy2727's avatar
    ComicBookGuy2727
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    I would like to believe that Respawn themselves want to fix issues. I truly believe that they do not decide the outcome/direction et cetera of the game... I believe EA does. I assume when a Respawn dev approaches a EA representative and says "this needs to be fixed and this needs to be change" - They probably hear something along the lines of  - " That doesn't make us money" or "Dont waste our time on those things, as long as money is still coming in... the game works and is fine." 

    Maybe not. But imma stick with my gut.    ; )

  • Jirkaap's avatar
    Jirkaap
    2 years ago
    @MayProtein I play this game from the very 1 minute!
    I have 1 normal game every 10 games and i’m a a average player. I’m not enjoying my self as much like before this stupid changes.
    Please change it!
  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    2 years ago

    We're at the point where the player count is super duper deluxe non-existent. Like, the viewership on Twitch has gone down so much that Among Us has more viewers, and the Steam charts are at an all time new low. While the quality of players we get reflects this fact.

    The game is dying, and the only ones who are playing are pros who haven't moved on yet, cheaters, smurfs, and bots. The "casuals" have mostly left the game from the look of things, and honestly, it doesn't surprise me at all. EA tends to have games get little to no care until the game dies off, (just look at Titanfall), instead of fixing problems, they let games die.

    For a company that LOVES money, they sure know how to make less money. S17, for example, was very disappointing for EA, especially the shareholders. I wonder why. Its not like they didn't ruin the game or anything. (Sarcasm). I try to stay optimistic about the game, but honestly, its dead to me. There's not really anything to like anymore.

  • mastiffslinger's avatar
    mastiffslinger
    2 years ago

    Came back for my weekly torture. And again teammates landing in the middle of a field. So to change tried control mode. I am on ps5 and it looked like a pc lobby. And onctop of that it was far east characters for names. So either they are sever jumping or it is that bad for matchmaking. I won’t play ranked any more, because the system makes no sense to me. I am in diamond lobbies with silver or lower teammates. In rookie rank because of the new system. So basically playing diamond games all season. 
    I know alot if people say they quit or are quitting. I would rather go smash my hand in a door right now than play Apex. Which is sad because I lived this game. The matchmaking is so foul. When I see I got whomped by 20K + kill wraith and my teammates can’t even land on a lootable area. Sickening. While I wasn’t happy about the last ltm at least it was somewhat playable. This isn’t. 
    I just hope if the rumors are true about TF3, they don’t bring over anyone involved with Apex. 

  • HappyHourSumwur's avatar
    HappyHourSumwur
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    @ComicBookGuy2727i think it is like The Boys. EA is Vought and Respawn is The Seven. EA ays "go make money" and Respawn is like "Yes! I get paid to make a bunch of skins and that's easy money! Fixing stuff and doing the right thing is hard so screw that!"