Spitfire is not op, you're just toxic
Spitfire is fine. There are many other much more important things to fix in this game. The spitfire was popular and that's the only reason people hate it. Every season the streamers pick a new gun to...
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@Peri_Longbow_plzFair points but I’ll counter with this: a high skill player should know better than to stand in front of bullets. Many of the youtubers I watch know to take cover and when to pop out and shoot. They win a lot of matches. I don’t know who the streamers are but it seems like they just want their cake and eat it too. The community (any community) is naive and just follows trends. That doesn’t mean it’s coming from correct issues, it just means the issue itself is popular atm.
This is one of those topics where you and I will just have to agree to disagree, but I appreciate your perspective.
in regards to your jab about the bocek, please reread my original statement. Bocek was a silent faster firing sentinel that made it impossible to tell how many people were shooting at you. It introduces new problems to a game that has had identifiable gun shot sounds with every other weapon. It’s shot travels faster than a sniper with less drop and did more damage than all but two of the snipers. The problems with the bocek vs spitfire are enough, IMO, to prove that the spitfire is not and never has been op. The contrast in issues should prove this, but nobody is willing to think critically or argue truthfully. Your jab at my spitfire solution is misplaced and full of salt.
In the hands of a skilled player the weapon with the highest DPS will always be dominant. If you gave a very good player who knows the recoil patterns of weapons a maximized HAVOC, he'll likely win a fight against you who has an R-301. But the majority of Apex Legends players are average at best. So the HAVOC sees little to no use anymore.
Balancing is not just about top-tier players. If you were to balance around that bracket alone, weapons like the Havoc or Devotion would need to be nerfed for the DPS alone. Balancing is about the lower brackets as well. And this is where the Spitfire found (and still finds) the most use. To me - admittedly - it's harder to hit with an R-301 on medium ranges than with a Spitfire. The slower fire rate makes the slightly bigger recoil almost redundant and makes more accurate and consistent shots over medium ranges. Is that bad? Not directly. But the developers have to consider the usage of other weapons as well. And within casual games I encountered way more Spitfire users than any other weapon. Well, R-99 also found a lot of use, and surprisingly Mozambique as well.
The Peek-and-shoot tactic is the safest to use survival-wise. It makes weapons like the Wingman excel. By minimizing the time the enemy can hit you, while also maximizing the damage you can deal within a specific period is a trade-off way more valuable than sheer DPS. A player with a Wingman would win against someone with a havoc if he had cover to use. In else case - given both are equally skilled - the havoc would win.
Back to the original point though, the Spitfire was very overused in the low and mid-tier bracket. Yes, to a skilled player the Spitfire is trash. To a skilled player even the EVA-8 or Mastiff are trash. But to the average player, these weapons are the most viable options for how easy it is to use them. And once a weapon provides both sufficient power AND easy usage, that's where a weapon falls out of balancing.
And yes, low- and mid-tier brackets are those brackets which are the most important to maintain.
- @Peri_Longbow_plz Good arguments.
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