While I am writing this 7 out of 10 of the top 10 pred on pc are from pad. This is the exact picture of how the aim assist is strong. The smaller share has the bigger share of top position, this is just evidence! Aim assist needs to be balanced! We simply can not challenge something that is much faster than human timing reaction

@Palette24carats MNK deserves to be more rewarding than controller.Everything an MNK player does is through their own skill from literally thousands of hours of practice and training.Controller players are automatically good from the game helping them to aim.The "best mouse players," as you said, are LITERALLY PROFESSIONALS who have dedicated their lives to performing the way they do. Anyone can pick up a controller and get a free one-clip because the game aims FOR them. No muscle memory, no practice.

@Palette24carats Best players do miss shots, much more than rollers in close range. There is also a video on YT of Mande doing 1v1 in the firing range and as soon as he picks up the roller (and he is a m&k player) he starts to win every single fight...coincidence right? Anyway...Send us those datas, show us that % and how has if been calculated.

@Palette24carats You forget that M&K players dedicate a lot of brain power in to aiming. Controller is almost nil; and can instead focus on other things like placement and movement.Forget about the top tier, in any scientific analysis you remove the top and bottom 5%. You should focus on the middle. The basic fact is that a controller player can pick up a controller for the first time and beat a 20 year M&K vet.

my sense is 1.5. The number of times I've been 1-clipped close range by a level 20 with a controller is unbelievable. I've got damn good movement, there is no way such a new player should even touch me.You also have to factor that the size of the screen makes aiming so much easier. the size of the screen matters, the level of precision and accuracy required on a small screen is much greater.Of course I side with PC. The playing field should be even. M&K players have a 'handicap' and it needs to be fixed.

@heme725 Here is my personal experience.1) I was able to get my aim on target fast, but staying on target was quite difficult. Recoil, muzzle flash, opponent crouching and/ or moving suddenly.Most of those things I don't have to worry about when using my controller at all. Basically I had to mentally be focused while using a mouse & keyboard as every step of the way matters, there is no downtime. On the controller I could be mentally distracted most of the match, but still be fine ingame.2) Close range was odd on the mouse & keyboard as the tracking changed so suddenly. On a controller it's super easy to follow, but mouse & keyboard is another thing.3) Another issue is the keyboard, I dislike it. It's super hard for me coming from years of controller to the input device to be honest. Using 4 keys over an analog stick is tough, I missed it every step of the way.

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Anonymous
4 years ago
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@Palette24carats

Wow slow down there, you don't speak for all controller users. I'm a controller user and I want non-aim assist or mouse & keyboard only servers as I think it's the right thing to do.

I could care less about what affects me, and more to the overall PC community. Aim assist doesn't belong here.

Rewards should be given to the players who practice how to aim in a shooter, not to those who choose not to adapt. Just wait till people on console get a mix of cell phone players with 0.7 aim assist, everyone will be a lock beam laser.

Aiming should be dealt by the play no matter what input device that player is using, period. Rainbow Six Siege, Overwatch PC, PUBG, all do fine with no aim assist for controllers in PC lobbies and/ or online vs players, Apex Legends should be no different.
TheIceDragon96
4 years ago
PC players: "M&K is superior. Nothing can touch it."
Also PC players: "how could i possibly keep up with aim assist?"
Pick a lane, you can't be in both.
PiadinaNucleare
4 years ago
@Palette24carats If you are playing controller on PC and you keep saying that controller has no advantage and its balanced you are probably playing silver now. You are probably not reaching the necessary skill to understand how broken it is
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@TheIceDragon96 It's not that complicated. A mouse is the more accurate input device without aim assist.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@PiadinaNucleare Exactly, the people that I play with that reached masters this past season play with controllers.
arjaeger
4 years ago
@Palette24carats B U L L S H I T - Go speak your Freedom talk elsewhere. Controllers are for casual gaming, like zelda.
So none of the issues have been addressed
Aim through visual noise
Aim through smoke / gas
Precise Aim regardless of other player's movement
1-clip accuracy easily from all levels of gamer
No need to spend any brain power on pin point accuracy on a small screen | general aim and direction , no problem!
No need to spend any brain power on micro adjustments to aim when other player strafes or moves.
Nothing Of what you've said has addressed any of these issues.
In what you've presented, none of the variations in the statistics are in any way statistically meaningful except for the 1-clip. That is a few deviations different!! LEARN STATISTICS
Anonymous
4 years ago
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@RaginSam

You're forgetting that this argument all depends on the user, mostly everyone does. If someone with bad dexterity uses a mouse vs someone on a controller with good dexterity, the controller user has a better chance at better accuracy.

Accuracy depends on the user in question, the input devices don't aim themselves (without aim assistance of course). The issue most don't talk about is that most mouse & keyboard players do miss quite a lot. It's their ability to return into combat that makes them so good, but it takes practice, lots of practice.

Controllers user with aim assistance work no matter if the user is paying attention mentally, mouse aiming doesn't do that.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@DeepBeats You will never win this discussion either... it always will be an ongoing debate because of guys of your type that say Mouse has to dominate EVERY aspect of this game. So intolerant.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Popa2caps I don't want this Aim assist either, I think it makes me miss shots every game. What I say we need is the lower sensivity that activates on aim assist because you can't control your aim on a thumbstick for both fast and slow movement . But I guess I could get used to it.

The argument here is not about Aim assist... it is about if controllers dominate and win fights with no practice no skill just hop on controller and kick *. Which is stupid.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@PiadinaNucleare Those are false argument, sophism?

Let's turn your argument the other way: If you are playing mouse on PC and you keep saying that Mouse has no advantage and its balanced you are probably playing silver now. You are probably not reaching the necessary skill to understand how it is superior to controller.
Someone that masters an input will of course be better, that is why I displayed the results from that ALGS study; it proved that Mouse wins in every range of fighting by a small percent. Totally disproving your sayings.

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