So I don't know what happened to matchmaking this season but it seems like it was completely removed.I'm silver, barely made it to gold last season and my lobbies are full of diamonds and pred smurfs. They all have 20k+ badges while my k/r is 1 if it doesn't drop lower. I've over 100 games played and not a single win this season. In the previous seasons I had 7%+ win ratios and k/r much higher than it is now.My teammates are all ignoring any kind of communication, solo landing over 800m away. They will steal all dibs and won't share ammos when they know very well how low on ammos their teammates are. Most of the time they will simply leave the match when they get hit by a bullet. It seems like all randoms want to do is hot drop die and start over without even trying to get a single kill. They don't care about playing the game, they just want to waste other player's time.This season is the worst and most unplayable season since the launch of the game. I have hundreds of hour played since the launch across xbox and pc, and I have never ever seen a season this bad.What in the world has happened to Apex ? It used to be casual friendly and the matchmaking was decent in the previous seasons. Why would Respawn throw all of that away ?I'm thinking of starting to record my playing sessions to send the whole footage to Respawn so they can see what a casual player goes through when trying to play their game a few hours a week.The message from Respawn and EA is very clear : they are trying to get rid of casuals as they don't want us in their player base.

Of course Asmodeus566 is back to imply that since he's having a good time, everybody is having a good time.I did go through many other post stating the same kind of issue I'm having with the game and you're in every post saying how you are having a good experience and there is nos issue and "get good, find friends" as your solution. You are just coming of rude every time dismissing other players issue. Don't you believe one single second that if so many of us come here and take the time to write a post on a forum there must be some kind of issue ?"The needs of the many,outweigh the needs of the few or one." We are not only a few. A LOT of players are stating that solo queueing is impossible to play this season. I've been playing since the first season and never had that kind of issue. And believe it or not, some people have a life outside of Apex Legends, have work and some have children, and it is not always possible to queue with a team. Does that mean that we should not play the game ? Smurfs, cheaters, leavers, solo players queuing with a team, 3 randoms put against 3 stacks, silver against diamond and pred trails. It is absolutely not welcoming to casual players and it has been the worst season in the past 3 years. You are misunderstanding the message from Respawn and EA and created a little scenario in your head instead of even trying to understand the words in front of you. The message is very obvious when they choose to ignore a huge portion of their player base and the issue they are experiencing in the game. If they don't do anything to fix those issues, they are getting rid of the player of are experiencing them. Players have voiced these issues and Respawn choose to ignore it. We are not a few, we are a big portion of the player base being only casuals solo queuers and nothing has been done to improve our gaming experience, as all the other post about the game being unplayable for casual are saying, cause there just wouldn't be any other posts if the issue didn't exist for casuals. You even said it yourself that we are more than a few casual players :"[...]get rid of their biggest costumer base, that is also their biggest source of income." It is not because YOU are not seeing these issue that they don't exist. It is not because you have food in your fridge that other people are not starving. It is not because you have a warm coat that others are not cold. You and your experience are not the definition of everybody else and their game experience in apex. Congratulations on having a good time in the game. You can get back to it and stop commenting casual player's post only to say how YOU are having a good time.

@Asmodeus566"Ah the laments of a solo Q'er, try finding some steady teammates to play with. This helps a lot."Yet again another 'quick fix' that prevents anyone from actually having to fix the issues.Not everyone has good friends to play these types of games with and not everyone wants to waste time searching the picky LFG post to find one they might fit in to, or wait for someone to answer their own lfg post.Apex shouldn't just be enjoyable to those who are in a pre made group. In fact..it's actually a lot worse because they put you into lobbies with other pre-made teams that tend to be of way higher experienced players.So no, finding a team isn't a viable option for the casual solo qer who just wants some decent gameplay without loot goblins, sweat wannabes, and trash talking prepubesants.Glad you're having a good time. It's been a nightmare for literally everyone else.

@DestineeQcyea punish the leavers, bcs they are more or less a direct result of the MM. I bet that idea will cost Apex at least 20% of the playerbase.Its simply not fun to play with people who dont know what they are doing. like the lvl 20 octanes that drop fragment while the sky is in deep purple divetrails ... they live for around 10 seconds ... just a waste of my time. if i cant spot halfway decent movement i dont expect that player to be able to pick up my banner and bring me back, also a waste of my time to wait until he dies.Lifelines that walk around not using their abilities to either heal or rez the teammates ... , revenants not using totems, NoAirstrikeBangas ... ive seen them all too often. teammates that still loot while you are busy doing the work ... hell no, youll bet i be in the lobby as soon as im downed.Lets face the truth, Apex is gonna die ... no matter what they do now, they should have done beginning 2021 not 2 years later, too many good players left the game already and likely not coming back.

Here is a non exhaustive list of things that can be done to improve casual player's experience :Matchmaking :- A better balance of matchmaking is needed. Silver players should go against or teamed with diamonds and preds, in pubs and ranked. It is not fun for anyone in the team, the higher level needs to carry someone that can't follow their gameplay and the lower level simply can't play.- Quality over quantity. It shouldn't be an excuse to get into a match faster if it means you will just die right away to a much higher level to be back in the queueing lobby. Let players play a balanced game even it means longer wait. The wait time is already under 15 seconds, we can deal with longer queue to be able to play an actual match.- Solo queuers shouldn't go against full squads. A team of random will always have a HUGE disadvantage facing a three stack. Other games have already sort this out : full squads play against full squads, teams of randoms against teams of randoms. Punish bad behavior :- More severe punishment is needed for sabotaging players.Leavers in pubs should be automatically suspended for increasing time when they keep leaving games before being killed, just like in ranked. Solo player not playing with their team should be punished. If a player spend all game away from their team, engaging solo fights and not trying to come back to the team, they should be punished for that and they should be automatically queued alone for the next games.Reports of sabotage should be taken into account and go through a more severe verification when received against a player.Multiple reports of the same category should have an automatic system of suspension until more review.- More severe suspension against harassment, toxicity, insults, sexual attacks, sexism, etc. Players being rude in text chat are getting the bans but vocal chat is not monitored. Players are excessively toxic and should get voice banned more often. Women are getting massively harassed in this game and it should be zero tolerance towards that kind of behavior. It is the worst online experience I have witness for female gamers in my decades of playing online.- Add report categories for : Playing Solo away from the teammates instead of unchecking "fill team", vocal toxicity, teammate sabotage and/or un sportsman like behavior (using abilities to prevent teammate to loot, stealing all dibs, preventing teammate to get into a building when facing an enemy, etc)Smurfs :- Linking a phone number to the account to prevent multiple accounts- Increase the minimum games played or player level to get into ranked (you need 50 WINS in some other game to be allowed to queue in ranked)- Some kind of skill to ranked monitoring. A new player in bronze should not go wiping a lobby with 20+kills, no matter how good they were at some other shooter. Hackers :- Better anti-cheat- Automatic suspension after multiple reports of using cheat.- Better monitoring from Respawn through stream watching, game replays, youtube videos, etc. to determined where the major cheating issues areGeneral improvement :- Give the player the possibility to actually write a detailed report against a player to facilitate the review afterward. A report team should know right away what to look for as we now have to choose what seems the closest to the report category instead of reporting the detailed situation.This is not the complete list of things that can be improved but it's definitely a good start to improve the casual players experience. There are solutions and many ways to make the game better for a vast part of the player base. Respawn and EA only need to acknowledge the issues players are voicing and actually do something to work towards solutions.

@HappyHourSumwur My complaints are indeed solo queue complaints, as this is my gaming experience. What you are saying is that solo queuers shouldn't play ranked. So should be even play at all ?I don't play pubs precisely because of the leavers. Randoms will engage 1v3, not use any kind of communication to say where they are going, or simply just quit to lobby after a few seconds in the game because of whatever bad reason, as you just admit to do yourself.Leaving the game like this is ruining the game experience for every teammate that cross your path and actions should definitely be taken against leavers such as time outs, just like there is in arenas. If you feel like queueing and leaving and requeueing just to leave again after a few seconds, please uncheck the fill team box and stop ruining other gamers experience.There literally is a report category for leaving the game early, why do you think it's there in the first place ?

Unplayable for casual. Smurfs, leavers and sabotage every game.

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r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@DestineeQcyea punish the leavers, bcs they are more or less a direct result of the MM. I bet that idea will cost Apex at least 20% of the playerbase.
Its simply not fun to play with people who dont know what they are doing. like the lvl 20 octanes that drop fragment while the sky is in deep purple divetrails ... they live for around 10 seconds ... just a waste of my time. if i cant spot halfway decent movement i dont expect that player to be able to pick up my banner and bring me back, also a waste of my time to wait until he dies.
Lifelines that walk around not using their abilities to either heal or rez the teammates ... , revenants not using totems, NoAirstrikeBangas ... ive seen them all too often. teammates that still loot while you are busy doing the work ... hell no, youll bet i be in the lobby as soon as im downed.
Lets face the truth, Apex is gonna die ... no matter what they do now, they should have done beginning 2021 not 2 years later, too many good players left the game already and likely not coming back.
AcidicSoda44031
3 years ago
I agree with almost everything you said. The Solo Q experience is utter hell.
I played ranked arenas, I have been stuck in Silver 3 for hundreds of hours basically because my team is clueless. I cannot even sugarcoat this, it is what it is.
I routinely get teammates that split as soon as we leave the base, teammates that go solo 1v3, teammates that don't go into the safe zone, teammates that rat the whole game, teammates that can't put out half the damage I do combined, teammates that are just as clueless as they can get. The fact that I constantly need to remind them basic things in a RANKED game is very, very disturbing! And of all modes, they decide to play ranked? Are we kidding ourselves here?
Not to mention the DC or AFK ones, which more often than not costs us the game and lose RP.
Keep in mind, my K/D has been floating in the positive between 1,4 and 1,7. You'd think I'd be in Plat by now, but I guess not.
I was tired of all that, so I squadded up with some buddies. I agree that this shouldn't be the solution, but what else can you do when all you get is basically non-teammates?
@r1ggedgame yeah, enemy Lifelines seem to be aware of the res, enemy Revenants ape us with the totems, and enemy Bangs call the airstrike as soon as 1 bullet hits them.
Meanwhile, the Lifelines on my team are often clueless, the Revs are ratting, and the Bangs throw the smoke right after enemy Seer scanned us. It's honestly insane.
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@AcidicSoda44031Kd around around 2 but Bronze 4 ..., ok that was on purpose (KD was over 3 before i tanked my rank) to make me not play it ever again.
also rank doesnt mean much, too many players that dont even deserve that rank they got due to the rigged matchmaking and exploitation.
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@DestineeQc Ranked is worse for solos as it stands.

Honestly, I don't let it get to me in pubs. I play for the games when it clicks, and those are awesome.
I just lather, rinse,repeat the rest and forget them. Sometimes I try to stay on and see if my teammates will clutch it up and sometimes I try to carry on when a teammate leaves. Sometimes I don't. Yes, sometimes it bugs but that says more about my mood than about anything else.

PS - Thank God for the mute button though because people can be so weird and toxic.
DestineeQc
3 years ago
@Asmodeus566 you literally changed your speech 180° when you realized everyone else was calling you and your trolling comments on other casual players' posts out.
And then you went on listing the solutions I posted in my comment, with slightly different words.
You started with "ah the solo Q's complaints" and ended with "I totally agree with you". You are incoherent from a message to another.
What I said wasn't rude. Your oblivious attitude is coming off rude to every "solo Q complainers" while you're dismissing our experience because yours is different.
It is very obvious from other comments that you have been doing this for a while and that it is not appreciated by other people on the forum. This forum has a nice little XP button showing how appreciated (or not) comments are.
"I can look past that for now." I suggest you look past the next posts about this subject as well. The casual players' trying to discuss about the issues we are experiencing will be happy to not have to argue with someone spreading how much they have a good time and stating that the issue is the actual casual player for not having friends online at the same time as them to play with.
Awhoo_Thunder
3 years ago
@Asmodeus566
I might try Apex for a while tomorow, just to see how bad it has gone since S13. :D
XxColdFangxX
3 years ago
@Asmodeus566
"For those that do not want to play with others well that is their problem."
Apex is a game. It should NEVER be a problem to want to enjoy a game by yourself and it certainly shouldn't be a punishing experience.
And waiting for someone to reply to a lfg post, is not an immediate solution, it takes time for people to answer them, and there's always issues beyond the short sightedness of just finding people to play with.
For instance, different time frames, work schedules, outside lifes, and being introverted/antisocial as *--and I can already tell you, trying to force yourself to get along with a group of strangers just so you can have a good gaming experience, doesn't make things any better. Not to mention the time it takes to actually find a set of people you actually like, get along with, and play well enough with. Definitely not immediate.
Also as I've already mentioned, joining up on a team where they stick you in an even sweatier lobby is not an enjoyable causal player experience.
We want to play the game, not get melted even faster than we do in a regular lobby.
There are many reasons people solo que, we shouldn't have a * gaming experience just because we prefer playing alone.
And if you really want to stick with the whole "it's a team game" argument, then it's time Apex starts holding the leavers, hot drop Henry's, and run off on your own players accountable via gamethrow-because solo quing shouldn't mean playing with people who have no interest in the team aspect.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
3 years ago
@XxColdFangxX
I think you misunderstood my statement there.
I meant players that want to play all by themselves, no teammates at all. The 60 team all solo sweat fest. It was tried in the past and has never came back. I do not think Respawn or EA will bring it back in the future.
I solo Q a lot. Just today, this morning I Solo Q ed about 12 games in trios and only had one bad experience with a JM the dropped us next to a team but as far away from bins and doors as he possibly could. I was disgusted and had to run off and do my own thing because the other two got boxed in about 10 secs and facing a team of three with no weapons is not happening.

Leavers should def have penalties if they could possibly be respawned.
I know it is hard to find good teamates to play with on a regular basis, and playing with friends does not mean insta sweat ultra hard lobbies. They do tend to be tougher because mm tries to mm 3 stack vs 3 stacks as much as possible.
I agree that it would be much better if every Solo Q’er played with the team mindset as well as 2 stacks in trios trying to play with their solo.
Thank you for your post, I enjoyed reading it and your well thought out response.

I do not know how to fix the solo Q exp outside of getting rid of smurfs and tightening up the mm.
since I do not work for EA or Respawn all I can do is make suggestions just like you and all the others here. Or give people advice on how they might be able to help themselves.
Again thank you for your reply.
XxColdFangxX
3 years ago
@Asmodeus566
I don't believe anyone here is talking about playing all by themselves-yet running into people on their teams that do. I solo que pretty much 99% of the time except for that occasional bit when I manage to jump into a team with a friend.
I don't have issues unless I have those kinds of players on my team and unfortunately it's alot.
Though personally I do think they need to bring back solos for those players, especially since they're apparently putting it in the mobile version and because again, it shouldn't be an issue to want to play by yourself yet on Apex it is because we aren't given an appropriate playing ground to do so, so it leaks into the team modes.
I've tried no fill solo quing on duos and I absolutely hate it, I'm already at a disadvantage for not being that great, but now even more so because I don't have a teammate. It's kind of stupid.
They're expecting everyone to play to this bs team concept idea, and it's just not happening because Apex is a game and people want to play it their way, and they're very limited to where they can play.
Fixing MM is a must and would defiantly be a start to fixing the issue as it would sort out the players who leave because they don't want weaker teammates vs the ones leaving just because they don't want to be on a team.
A permanent solo mode would get those kinds of players out of team lobbies and the rest can be reported and held accountable for game throw because with the appropriate options to play alone, there's no excuse for that kind of behavior on a team setting.
Suggestions are always appreciate it, but I feel that in the case of the solo quers issues, alot of it comes from people where team finding isn't a good solution for them, otherwise, they'd have already done it. It is a very simple solution and pretty well known after all. It's unfortunate but some solutions just don't work for everyone.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
3 years ago
@XxColdFangxX
Thanks for the reply and a very nice post you put together there.
Yeah maybe EA/Respawn does need to give that old solo play mode another chance. Maybe bring it back as an LTM and see what the results are and if they are positive for the players and EA/Respawn then maybe make it a permanent option.
However I do believe that when the event ran for the first and last time there was a lot of issues. Rampant teaming, a lot of camping until last circle and totally random end circles because of that. Some legends abilities are also pretty much non-viable in a pure solo mode, Mirage's passive, Lifeline has no one to res, etc because a lot of the legend abilities work best in a team format. Yes a lot of the others can use abilities for self benefit and are still viable.
Maybe EA should give it a try though.
With all that in mind I played the solo mode back then and it was just a total sweat fest or a total sneak and peak camping trip. The third party was worse, if you got unlucky there was no teammate to res you or respawn you, Snipers were def a thing. That mode was very unforgiving and seemed that you spent more time loading into a game than actually playing.
But that is just my take on it.
Again many thanks for your well thought out reply and kudos to you for your points of argument.
Happy Friday.

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