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MayProtein's avatar
MayProtein
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago

We don't need a garbage system such as abandonment penalty in mixtape mode.

Why don't you remove the garbage system such as the abandonment penalty from the mixtape mode, which is not only not benefiting anyone, but is only a hindrance to the player, even though I have been ...
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XHelperZ's avatar
XHelperZ
Hero+
2 years ago

This system isn't built on the idea of having cheaters in every game, it was put in place to make sure players don't leave games.

Before this system was put in place, a lot of lobbies were left with just a total of 3-4 players, pretty much none of these matches reaching a climax.

Even with the backfill system existing, it doesn't seem to be able to fill up lobbies completely if a lot of players decide to leave, even if it were able to do so, it might be problematic for the matchmaker to provide players that are within the skill bracket of the lobby.

Of course detection for cheaters and so on is always being worked on, but a F2P game is always going to encounter issues on this field due to players being able to create new accounts after being banned.

Removing this system won't decrease the amount of cheaters, making matches more frustrating and more matches won't be able to reach a proper end.

It's easy to remove certain things for a quick fix, but these types of things tend to hurt the game for the long-term, it's important to remember why these kind of systems were put in place and how removing it could result in other issues.

meece's avatar
meece
2 years ago
@XHelperZ On the other people, players could then curate *their own* game experience and leave games they're not enjoying... say with cheaters... or where the lobby got too empty...

But of course we must instead demand people play on beyond the point they want to leave. Very psychologically healthy 🙂
  • XHelperZ's avatar
    XHelperZ
    Hero+
    2 years ago

    I get that it's an issue, but even with such a penalty put in place, players are not forced to stay in the match.

    Of course players do get punished for leaving, but removing the penalty is simply not going to do anything good for mixtape.

    It might be worth to test certain different ways of handing out penalties, like giving them a penalty after leaving a certain amount of games.

    But if there isn't a penalty put in place, then a lot of these lobbies will just become empty.

    It takes one leaver to cause a massive domino effect of the entire lobby leaving, which isn't very fun either.

    • MayProtein's avatar
      MayProtein
      Seasoned Adventurer
      2 years ago
      @XHelperZ
      No, for what it's worth, if there's a penalty, it's practically equivalent to being forced to stay in the game.

      You're saying that eliminating penalties doesn't bode well for the mixtape?
      In fact, it's just the opposite.

      What I'm saying is that it's just wrong to penalize people for leaving a match when it doesn't provide a fair and enjoyable match with a certain balance of teams.

      I'm saying that it's wrong to force people to spend their time in a painful and boring match, with the threat of penalties, when all you can offer is a broken match that is not properly organized, regardless of whether or not people leave during the match.

      At least by eliminating this penalty system, players will no longer be forced to play in painful, boring, and completely unrealistic matches, and the frustration of being forced to play in these completely unrealistic matches will be reduced by the number of people who will be forced to play in these matches by removing the waiver penalty. It only takes a little bit of thought to realize that the frustration of being forced to play these completely unworkable matches is nothing compared to the lack of players due to the removal of the abandonment penalty.

      If that's the case, all you have to do is to provide a match with a certain degree of team balance so that it can be played properly, and if there is a shortage of players due to players leaving in the middle of a match, it can be solved in an instant by allowing other players to join in the middle of the match. If you want to prevent players from leaving a match just before the end because they think they are going to lose, just make it so that they cannot leave the match just before the match ends.

      If you want to prevent players from leaving a match because they are about to lose, all you have to do is to prevent them from leaving a match just before the match ends.

      More matches that don't end properly?
      In fact, most of the matches don't have proper endings now.

      With almost every match not only cheaters, but also with almost every match that is clearly not balanced as a team and most of the matches are not properly organized, there is absolutely no need and wrong for a penalty if you leave in the middle of a match.

      In the first place, you say that it was introduced to "prevent players from leaving the game," yet "players are not forced to stay in the match even if such a penalty is in place." You're saying, "I'm sorry, but you've got a logical fallacy at this point.

      At least in mixtape, which can only offer broken matches as they are now, there should be no such ridiculous system as a blanket penalty for players who leave in the middle of a match.

      In the current mixtape, penalties have only resulted in rather bad outcomes.

      Therefore, in the current mixtape, the penalty should be erased in any case.
      Penalties in this mode have become a "cancer" for the game.
      • aim_with_my_eye's avatar
        aim_with_my_eye
        2 years ago

        Actually we need, also we need it for BR pubs. Leavers are cancer of the game. Systematic abandonment must be penalized even by mathematical means - it's hurting only 1 player experience, but leaver hurting his entire team's. If you're not grown up to respect teamplay and responsibillness - go play some CoD FFA.