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W3stminst3r
Seasoned Vanguard
6 months ago

"Wingman" turned into a "Wingboy" (which makes me sad)

The Wingman is (and has always been) my alltime favorite weapon in Apex since its mastering needs a lot of practice and skill.

Somehow in S21, Respawn suddenly decided to nerf it in several points - in a very extreme way:

a) Hipfire accuracy decreased

b) Digital Thread is not longer usable

c) No mags allowed

d) Skullpiercer removed from the game

...

Furthermore it is hardly part of the weapon-rotation in TDM, Lockdown or Control which makes it hard to play and level the gun.

Why those nerfs? If it was out of balancing-reasons (Wingman was too powerful), please explain how Akimbo-Mosambiques, Akimbo P2020 or the Mastiff fit into that picture?

However: I still use the Wingman but honestly - they must hate the weapon so much.

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  • This is interesting. I didn't realize Wingman was nurf'd. I like to "try" it from time to time.

    I recall a discussion of weapon balancing.

    My take is that you could eliminate half the weapons and the game wouldn't suffer.

    You could get rid of p2020 (it does nothing) and wingman (it is unrealisticly too strong as a hand gun); and so on...

  • @Zulkiers 

    My experience is the 301 will put out more bullets faster. Is that incorrect? Would akimbo 20s out shoot a 301 in the same time it takes to unload a max clip?

    if my golden 45 or 301 can knock you with golden 20s then you can’t shoot me with the rest of your clip.

  • Zulkiers's avatar
    Zulkiers
    5 months ago

    @MrGreenWithAGun
    Akimbo P20 shoots ever slightly less firerate, making it more controllable than 45, and deals 3+ more damage per bullet than 45.
    301 deals 15-18 damage at less firerate than the 45 but is much more controllable with more ammo. I think it's 15 per bullet.
    P20 is at least 21 damage per bullet.
    I think the 45 was 18.
    Akimbo P20: 90% hit rate. 30% at range.
    45: 15% hit rate unless I'm point blank, upping to 50% in best case. No range.
    301: also about 90% hitrate. 15% at range unless I go semi, then about 75% hitrate. 65% or worse past 150 meters.
    I joined during the last week of Anvil Receiver. That was a fun time. I was heartbroken it got removed. I only got to use it for one week.

    That has nothing to do with latest stats, but I was definitely more into the 301 when Anvil Receiver existed. I also really hated the CAR at that time. Now the CAR is one of my most favorite guns.

    I could never hit anything with the beam charge rifle. I still can't hit anything with the Titanfall 2 charge rifle but it's definitely easier to do so since they aren't getting warned by a dps laser. Can do 80 damage instead of 15-30 now.

  • Zulkiers's avatar
    Zulkiers
    5 months ago
    @MrGreenWithAGun
    Another thing.
    Why bother wasting all your ammo shooting, just to have an empty mag when you really need to shoot your target?
    With akimbo P20, you never need to fear, or not that often anyways.
    It takes 2-3 mags with a 45, 1.5 mags with a 301, and 0.75 mags with akimbo P20s to take people out. That's because of my hitrates.
    If I run out of ammo, I'm instantly dead. Therefore I'll take akimbo P20s over 301/45 any day as I maintain ammo and can take out multiple targets in one mag, whereas I miss so much with the 301/45 that I get caught mid reload, thus getting killed.
    301 definitely trumps 45.
    P20 definitely trumps 45.
    Alternator and CAR definitely trump 45.
    Overall the 45 is utter garbage.
    It could use an akimbo to make it more on-par with akimbo P20s, and make the 45 more on-par with Alternator/CAR.
  • I think they should make the Wingman specifically for mid-range. Cut body aim assist and boost head aim assist past a certain range. I don't think it ever needed a nerf, just increase its skill ceiling.

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