This is a response to your previous comment, and I’ll keep it focused on the actual issues I raised:
Controller-on-PC abuse, cheating synergy, and the ongoing neglect of the Asia region.
First, I need to clarify something essential:
You are describing your own experience with normal controller play.
I am describing a completely different phenomenon that affects PC lobbies, especially in Asia.
These are not the same thing, and treating them as if they are is exactly why this problem never gets taken seriously.
1. “Average controller players don’t feel that kind of tracking” — That is not the point.
The issue I am talking about is not the standard controller aim assist used by normal players.
The issue is the interaction between PC-level responsiveness + aim assist + cheat tools,
which creates a level of automated tracking that is absolutely not part of normal controller gameplay.
If you’ve never encountered a cheater using a controller on PC,
then of course your own experience will not match what I’m describing.
But my experience did happen — repeatedly — and it is documented across the Asia region.
**2. You mention that this may only appear “at the highest levels of play.”
That is incorrect for Asia.**
In the Asia region, especially during the current Wildcard mode,
these incidents are common even at low and mid-level MMR.
Players are openly combining:
controller input (for AA)
PC cheats (for tracking enhancement)
VPNs (to avoid penalties)
This is not speculation. It is a daily reality in many Asia lobbies.
If something is “not visible in your experience,”
that does not mean it isn’t happening elsewhere — especially in the most neglected region.
3. “NO MORE CROSSPLAY” does not solve the actual issue I raised.
I’m not talking about platform balancing.
I’m talking about a structural vulnerability:
A controller on PC can be paired with cheat software in a way a console cannot.
Removing crossplay does not change this.
Segregating lobbies does not change this.
What I am talking about continues to exist regardless of matchmaking design.
So bringing up crossplay here does nothing but move the discussion away from the real problem.
4. This is not a KBM vs Controller debate at all.
I am not attacking controller players.
I am not arguing about input balance.
I am not comparing mechanical advantages.
I am pointing out that:
Controller aim assist + PC cheat tools form a synergy that the developers have failed to prevent,
and Asia is the region suffering from it the most because it is effectively unmanaged.
That is the issue.
Nothing in your comment addresses this.
5. The Asia region’s neglect is a central part of the problem.
Cheaters are rarely banned.
Reports disappear without action.
Matchmaking is unstable.
Players VPN freely to dodge penalties.
And this environment makes controller + cheat abuse far more visible here than anywhere else.
You may not experience this problem in your region,
but Asia players do — constantly.
Conclusion
Your points describe standard controller play.
My points describe the abuse of controller mechanics on PC using cheat tools in neglected Asia lobbies.
These are separate realities.
Until the developers acknowledge this specific combination —
controller input + PC cheat tools + region neglect —
this issue will keep appearing, regardless of crossplay or platform differences.
That is why I raised it, and that is why I will continue to call it out.
Your original post not in any way shape of form was about Console controller players using cheat devices. It was written sorely based on Controller aim assist - your words.
Then after Recon's post, you continue to say the post was regarding cheaters on controller. Quite a huge massive thing to forget to mention on the first post, don't you think?
I also couldn't help but notice you mentioned nothing about cheating, hacking on PC levels. Especially seeing as how, there are over 10 times more options to cheat on PC than controller.
Controller (Console) aim assist has been dialed down from 0.6 to I believe its 0.3 now... correct me if I'm wrong. If controller is so superior as you suggested - simple, use one yourself. Go ahead, make the jump, buy a PS5 and become a GOD at Apex gaming and destroy PC players with ease and without doing anything, because you know, the aim assist corrects for you and gets you free kills.
I would love to hear your complaints after that move while in PC lobbies : )
You are addressing arguments I never made, so let me clarify the situation very clearly.
My post was not about console players and not about standard controller aim assist.
It was about PC players who use a controller specifically to pair aim assist with cheat software, which is a completely different situation from console aim assist balancing.
This distinction matters, because:
Console players cannot install PC-level cheats
PC aim assist behaves differently due to higher responsiveness
Asia lobbies are experiencing these abuses far more frequently due to lack of enforcement
So when you say “just buy a PS5 if you think controller is so strong,”
you’re responding to a topic that I never brought up.
**1. “You never mentioned cheating in your original post.”
This is simply incorrect.**
The entire context of my post was:
PC lobbies
Asia server neglect
controller input being used for abuse
behaviors that do not appear in normal console gameplay
The problem appears only where PC cheats exist.
If that wasn’t clear to you, then the misunderstanding is on your side, not mine.
2. The number of PC cheating options is irrelevant to my point.
Yes, PC cheating is widespread.
That is exactly why the combination of:
controller input + PC cheats
creates a uniquely problematic scenario.
I am not listing all cheat types.
I am describing a specific exploit pattern that affects Asia lobbies and Wild Card mode.
3. Console aim assist values (0.6 → 0.3) have nothing to do with this issue.
Console aim assist strength does not matter here because:
the exploit occurs on PC, not console
the behavior is caused by cheat tools, not standard aim assist
the problem exists in PC hardware, not on PlayStation
Bringing up PS5 aim assist tuning completely misses the point.
Again, we are not talking about console gameplay.
**4. “If controller is so strong, use it yourself.”
This argument misunderstands the entire issue.**
A normal controller on console does not recreate the issue I described.
I am not claiming “controller = free wins.”
I am saying:
controller + cheats + PC environment = behavior that does NOT exist on console.
That is the difference you are ignoring.
5. Conclusion
You are debating a version of my post that you imagined, not the one I actually wrote.
My critique is about:
controller being used on PC
combined with PC cheat software
especially in Asia, where enforcement is extremely weak
currently amplified by Wild Card mode
This has nothing to do with:
console players
console aim assist values
“just buy a PS5”
input preference debates
Please respond to the argument that was made — not to the argument you wish I had made.
Lol, there that's much better. Well done.
With the whole controller aim assist console vs PC debate far out of control and exhausted, one has to be very accurate when firing up that one.
Cross play was meant to unify the community, but without proper input balancing, it created a lopsided environment:
– Mixed lobbies give controller players higher survivability
So above are your words from your original post. My confusion came from the fact that your original post did you clarify in one single aspect that you were referring to PC players using controllers vs PC players using mouse and keyboard. Cross play to me, does not mean a PC against a PC, rather platform vs platform. Can you see why I would have assumed base on your original post and the words quoted above that you were referring to console controllers aim assist vs PC mouse and keyboard?
I will agree with you, every time i see these "Remove Aim assist" post, Much like you, I get very frustrated.
I appreciate the clarification, and although I do not know what you are going through in that regard (console player) - I do fully agree with your gripes, especially when it comes to competitive integrity.
