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bsmokin1's avatar
2 years ago

Aim Assist Pred Ranked Imbalance is now Over 85%

The Controller Dominance in Apex Legends: A Competitive Imbalance

The imbalance between controllers and mouse and keyboard (MnK) players has escalated this season due to kill centric scoring and 120hz. Recent data reveals that 85% of the top 20 world PC players now use controllers. But this shift comes at a cost—a cost to competitive integrity.

The Decline of MnK Players

Veteran pro Alex ‘scuwry’ Scala laments the fading relevance of non-IGL MnK players. As a free agent, he feels “useless” due to the controller surge. Teams now favor controllers, leaving MnK players struggling to find roles.

Competitive Landscape: Controller Monopoly

At the pro level, most teams feature controllers. MnK players often serve as IGLs or long-range snipers. But the damage disparity is glaring. Controller players secure kills effortlessly, while MnK players struggle to match efficiency.

Preserving Integrity

The heart of the matter is competitive integrity. Split-second decisions hinge on this balance. Respawn Entertainment must address aim assist configurations to ensure fair competition. The fate of MnK players hangs in the balance.

But don't take my word for it, take former TSM shooter Snip3Down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSv0_Gp_E7c

Or Genburten

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X_mMr5j-7Uo

Or ImperialHal - who was forced to switch to controller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRXbFxMHGZI&t

2023 ALGS Champs, Birmingham (attached image) - Data showing in detail the horrendous mismatch even at the pro level.

23 Replies

  • VersusGravity's avatar
    VersusGravity
    Rising Scout
    2 years ago

    @mitsubullet wrote:

    Also as for comps being 85pc roller if that is even true. What's the solution there? 

    Can play comp if on roller? 

    Can but have to have AA turned off? 

    Also those dudes may look like it's AA doing the work but can assure you it's them. Plug a roller in and play all day everyday you won't get near their level. 


    There's plenty of video's of high level players turning off their aim assist and then struggling big time. Of course assist is doing something!

    Positioning, game sense/awareness, knowing the mechanics of the game are all important. So, they'll do decently just because of that, but they'll also get a lot less kills and damage overall when turning the assist off.

  • VersusGravity's avatar
    VersusGravity
    Rising Scout
    2 years ago

    @mitsubullet wrote:

    Sorry dude not replying to yourself specifically rather the entire thread. I've simply hit reply on the last message. 

    So I can play both. But I get insane left hand pain playing kbm so I use the roller. 

    Honestly I know your all looking at up close fights. Roller js DOG at mid to long lol. I consistently get less damage on roller. Only occasionally it feels like AA is doing anything. 

    I recently tried districts ALC settings you can find it on YT and guess what. Target compensation turned OFF. I tried it skeptically and my damage increased 😂. 

    You can debate this to high end and we're all entitled and opinion on the matter but there is no solution. If you removed AA for everyone then that would be beyond unacceptable.

    Roller would be trash up close. Mid and long and also can't tap strafe move while loot etc. 

    While mouse would be dominant. 

    Roller is good up close and that's it. 

    Mouse has loads more benefits. 

    I spent hours trying to find a way where I could have like a roller in my left hand or some sort of analog and a mouse in the other. 

    If I had the choice id olay Kbm all day. 


    Lot's of options out there for keyboards and one handed joysticks. There's keyboards that you can tent. Do you use a wrist rest with a keyboard? Keep your elbows at 90 degrees to the table. Your desk could also be too high, most people's desk are too high. The standard height for desk are typically way too high. Maybe none of this applies to you specifically, but there's a lot of ways to relieve stress if you truly are interested in playing with a keyboard and mouse. Lot's of options for keyboards and gamepads as well. You can even find special keyboards/joysticks made for disabled people. They can be a bit expensive though. You could even use a Xim with a mixed input setup.

    No one is arguing that Aim assist should be completely removed, although, that would be the fair thing to do. What people are generally asking for, is for the amount of assist to be turned down a bit. Controllers don't miss up close. A lot of fights happen up close in this game in close quarters, so it is kind of a big deal.

    Some of the biggest issues with Assist is that you don't have to worry about visual clutter nearly as much. On mouse, it can be really hard to see a lot of times with all the damn particle effects. Watching roller players, it's like tab targeting up close lol. I want to aim at this guy, okay locked on, now I don't have to worry about tracking anymore.

    When Controllers are preferred over MnK, especially at the Pro levels, you know that it's been over-tuned. Not sure how anyone can argue against that. What would be the superior device gets taken over by something just because it's given a ton of assist in order to do so.