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Okay, so here's the scenario. Either:
1) You're using anti-recoil macros, because it's quite clear that in many of your YouTube clips, your crosshair doesn't so much as twitch in any direction. We all play the game, we all fire the guns, we all know how it looks regardless of "recoil control". So are you using macros?
OR
2) You don't cheat, and there is simply next to no recoil when using a mouse and playing on PC, when compared to a controller on console. And that is factually evident by PC gamer streams, including your own.
So firstly, which is it?
Secondly: Your answer to the above will prove my point in any direction.
If you choose option 1, you prove my point that all along I've stood by the fact that I believe you're a cheater (not that you'd ever admit it, so it's pointless me asking).
Or if you choose option 2, you evidently support my main point that those using third party mouse and keyboard mods and scripts on PS4 (of which there are MILLIONS) are in fact cheating, due to the reduction in recoil control required to laser aim, COMBINED WITH AIM ASSIST on console (due to the console being duped into thinking they're using a normal controller).
Just by watching your first kill, your very first bit of shooting with the Havoc and R301. Do you honestly think that that level of central crosshair stability is possible on console, consistently, without cheats? Like, seriously? Have you ever even played on console?
@littlxrCan i chose option 3?
I control my recoil?
also im not claiming that people that dont use cheats and scripts to achieve better aim are not cheating.
im saying a lot of people practised to get good aim.
Check out nicewigg, daltoosh on twitch while you are at it.
They do WAAAAAAAAY more sick things then im doing in my videos.
And guess what! They are controller players
if my recoil control makes you think i cheat.
here is my advice again:
get better at the game and you will see less cheaters
its possible even on consoles.
there are many players who proof that every day.
- 5 years ago@DaAceXD Great argument there bro. Pick a couple of the world's best console gamers to somehow justify that everyone online can shoot like that whilst having the movement and tactical/map awareness of a five year old.
Let's say I die and spectate my killers, who all shoot even BETTER than this guy. Consistently every day, at least 10 matches a day. Are you telling me you'd say they are all just THAT good and simply cannot be cheating, because the 0.00001% of console gamers who are true professionals are able to do it?
Also you ignored my point about the cheating aspect. I asked you if you were controlling recoil, and whether PC is easier to control recoil than console as a result. If so, mouse and keyboard players on PS4 who abuse the easier recoil control, aim assist, and scripts, are cheating, yes? Do you agree? - 5 years ago@littlxr You said its impossible to achieve my level of shooting on console.
I dint give you names of players of my skill level. I gave you names of people 10x better then i am. Im sure every skilled player on the console can easily achieve what i do in my video’s and if your telling me thats only 000.1% then thanks for the compliment mate!
But i have to say that you dont know what your talking about then. - 5 years ago@littlxr I just noticed i ignored your question again.
Yes: its well known that with aim assist its easier to consistently hit your target then it is with keyboard and mouse on a pc.
Nicewigg played on predator rank with both controller and mouse and keyboard. And says both have their advantiges but hitting your shots it easier with a controller.
Note: this is not a complaint.
Sencond note: before you say anything. Aim assist is not a cheat. - 5 years ago
@DaAceXD wrote:
Yes: its well known that with aim assist its easier to consistently hit your target then it is with keyboard and mouse on a pc.
Sencond note: before you say anything. Aim assist is not a cheat.(Sigh). Okay, we're finally getting somewhere, I just didn't expect I'd have to ask so many times to get there.
So, yes, with aim assist, it's easier to consistently hit your target than M&K, thank you.
Now, with this in mind, what about combining the accuracy of M&K WITH this aim assist. How do you think that would go?
- 5 years agoThe point I'm making here, is because everyone that uses M&K on PS4, regardless of whether or not they're using any additional scripts (which many are), they are utilising the finer aim of a M&K on PS4, COMBINED WITH the aim assist of the console because it thinks they're using a controller. Do you understand what I'm saying?
- 5 years ago
@DaAceXD If you played ranked last season through diamond 3+ there was an aim bot in a lot of matches (50% easily at times) depending on the time and servers. No idea this season as i hit diamond with friend in d2 and ranks were still mixed so haven't touched it since.
You say you played with shivFPS but have you watched his streams? He encounters them quite often on PC ranked London server (same as me) and it's not an infrequent occurrence while other streamers will change.
I don't think people you're talking to in this thread are but i can show you videos in predator lobbies (albeit quite old) and also tell you aim bots are sometimes quite common although granted i haven't seen that many in pubs recently.
- 5 years ago
Top aim and movement are not something that you will achieve for few months, or till you get level 50 or 60, even 100, 200 or 300.
In order to get even close to top players, you needs many years in FPS games, because they were playing and grinding other FPS games for years before coming to Apex. Also grinding a lot in the practice and in aim trainers, and to do it every single day.
Most people are just playing the game, because grinding on firing range or aim trainer is not fun.
Yet somehow even ImperialHal said this, pub players are playing on ridiculous high level(their aim), yet their movement is just spam a-d with spam crouch and its straight garbage, and zero sense, reaction, thinking and so on.
And again even top streamers are cheating. Most of them are using no-recoil and fast single fire mode macros.
This is Rogue one of the best players in the game, go to 2:27 for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H141bo8Ccg4
What will be the reason to not use another macro as well, when you already are using one? :D
Shroud was also using macros when he was playing Apex Legends.
- 5 years ago@LordloshBang It's pointless trying to get him to understand, he just can't accept that the game is filled to the brim with cheaters, and is even more reluctant to accept that streamers and pros do it.
Oh, and he's never played on console but claims cheating barely happens there too, and is constantly demanding proof instead, like we - normal gamers - are able to conjure actual statistical figures to support our case when it's not our job.
Don't get roped into it. He loves gaslighting and ignoring basic logic and reasoning, despite never having played on console to see what I see. I think he legitimately gets turned on by it all, and I hate myself for allowing myself to be his sick little fantasy for as long as I have. - 5 years ago
There is currently 50+ players on EU platinum rank.
All them are cheating. Literally all of them.
It cannot be hard for EA to just hire one employee to look at the games and just whole sale ban everyone.
The problem with that strategy though is you ban all the cheaters there will be no players left in apex because EVERYONE cheats.
These servers stink with cheaters left right and center.
So yea. They are aware of the cheaters but cannot ban then because then everyone in top tier will be gone.
- 5 years ago
@littlxr wrote:
@LordloshBangIt's pointless trying to get him to understand, he just can't accept that the game is filled to the brim with cheaters, and is even more reluctant to accept that streamers and pros do it.
Oh, and he's never played on console but claims cheating barely happens there too, and is constantly demanding proof instead, like we - normal gamers - are able to conjure actual statistical figures to support our case when it's not our job.
Don't get roped into it. He loves gaslighting and ignoring basic logic and reasoning, despite never having played on console to see what I see. I think he legitimately gets turned on by it all, and I hate myself for allowing myself to be his sick little fantasy for as long as I have.Yeah i actually got to stop writing too, cause this is purely waste of time and eating my game time. :D
I agree with what you say.
I strictly said i`m talking about PC, because i don`t play on console and don`t know what the situation is in there. And i also do not watch console players. But i believe people that said the situation is bad in there as well, because i know how bad the situation on PC is.I was a CS player, and there is tons of cheaters in there. And the situation is kinda the same. They are just refusing to accept the true and refusing to do anything.
A lot of top pro players are using aim locks and its obvious as hell
Actually this was one of the main reason to quit CS, and the low TTK which i wasn`t happy with.Apex has great mechanics, and very good TTK and i love almost everything about this game, but cheaters are just ruining the fun out of this game.
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