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PhoenixForce55's avatar
6 years ago

If given the choice to become a simulacrum would you do it?

For me i might do it as long as the positives outweighed the negatives of it tbh.

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  • @phoenixforce55It's funny you mention that.. I often dream of having the ability to live forever or at least extend my life. The odd part about it, I don't want to just live forever. I want to be young again. I'd love to lose the wrinkles on my face, get my hair back, my health issues disappear.. But the really odd part? I don't just want to be young again. I want to be my 18-23 year old self again. I want it to be 2002-2005 again. I had a very different outlook on life then. That's hard to describe to someone who's not in their 30's. I was young, the future was mine, anything was possible, there was a degree of foolishness and naivety. It all went by so fast and I would love to be there again..

    In some ways those were the best times of my life and I want to capture those memories again.

    But would I make myself a robot for eternal life? That's a hard choice. In some ways it's easy to say yes. But so many of the things that bring us joy require a human body to experience. If you're a robot, you give up many/most of those experiences. You become nothing more than a consciousness. You will never experience food again. Imagine craving your favorite food, and never being able to have it again. Feel a hug from a friend or loved one. It might not seem like much. How ever, those are the things we live and exist for... Now you're taking those completely away. You're basically taking away everything a human consciousness exists for..

    I can assure you, you'll miss it and probably more than you realize. There are things you experience as a human, that you take for granted.. The ability to breath for example. There is joy that comes from taking a long rung or an intense exercise routine. There is joy in accomplishing something challenging as a human. You would also remove the adrenaline rush. What's to fear if you're a robot that can't be destroyed?!

  • Sir_Named's avatar
    Sir_Named
    6 years ago
    @DarthValtrex Even then, you could just get a good programmer to write a program that will "allow" you to experience that. They were able to make Revenant feel pain when he died, and the taste of blood/his copper faceplate, I'm sure they can replicate food.

    You could always dedicate yourself to furthering humanity as a whole, since that is the point of our existence. (Disregarding religion, in this example.) If you're immortal, you could do a lot to help.
  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
    Hero (Retired)
    6 years ago
    @Sir_Named True but would it be the same?! Now I have a scene of a programmer and Rev working together working out recipes. Rev is a bit like Gordon Ramsey and the programmer is the helpless chef that can't cook...

    I think the hardest part would be the loss of loved ones and friends. Nothing can ever replace your brother, mother or father.
  • Sir_Named's avatar
    Sir_Named
    6 years ago
    @DarthValtrex Ah, but since this is you they're programming, they can make it so that you wouldn't know the difference. (Like that scene in the Matrix.)
    The loss of loved ones and friends would happen eventually, (not to sound cold), but like (I think PhoenixForce, not sure.) said, if you work as a simulacrum you might be able to get your loved ones in it too.
    Imagine getting your partner in it and hiring a programmer to simulate the situations. That's funny.
  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
    Hero (Retired)
    6 years ago
    @Sir_Named Ah yes, but how much reprogramming of a consciousness can be done before you’re no longer you?! The human consciousness is very fragile. Imagine the butterfly effect that happens with time travel... one small change can lead to cascade of changes.

    The matrix was also slightly different. The human consciousness in that instance never knew what real steak tasted like. Where as we do.. so the programmer would either have to match that memory exactly or alter all previous memories to match the program he creates.
  • Sir_Named's avatar
    Sir_Named
    6 years ago
    @DarthValtrex Who knows? It can be a lot or a little, I'm guessing.
    Your consciousness is your brain. I assume they could layer programs on top of your regular functions, and as long as they do it right, it'll seem fine. You can even lose a good chunk of your brain, and as long as you are still alive you won't immediately lose your mind. (Although you will have some problems.)

    I don't program, so I don't know what a programmer can or can't do, especially one with proper access to a human brain. Couldn't they just make it so that you don't notice the difference or something? Idk.
  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    6 years ago
    @DarthValtrex You’re forgetting one important component. You failed to take into account that we already might be living in a simulation and that the ‘feelings’ you feel are genuine, whereas they are not.

    We all might already be a couple bits on a computerscreen. If thats true, that means a conscience and everything else can be coded down to the lowest particle. It’d just take time to get it as correct as ‘the maker’. This explains a lot why 2 individuals standing next to each other can experience 2 different things.