@CaptainBlakbeard wrote:
To be fair. No one is strong arming you. It's a free game. The only thing you pay for (if you choose to) is cosmetics. Developers HAVE TO make money in order to make the games you enjoy. No money=no games, it's that simple. F2P is a gift. it's them saying "We have so much confidence in our product that we are going to let you play it for free to see if you like it. And if you like it, we would appreciate monetary compensation but it's not mandatory"
It's mind bogling how some people actually believe in this. Why, you make them sound like a charity organisation or something, that are spending millions on making an AAA title and then just gifting it out to people. Wake up, please. Its a business model. Business model that relies heavily on microtransactions and RNG boxes. Most people don't have anything against the former, but they do (and with good reasons) have a lot against the latter.
Yes, you are not -forced- to spend anything, but that doesn't mean its okay to need to drop real money on the off-chance (which usually is very low in all types of RNG boxes) that you will get what you want from your purchase. Microtransactions are fine, when not overpriced -- no, a 20 euro skin isn't okay. That's just redicilous. Also a 0.000000001% chance of getting what you want out of the RNG box isn't okay aswell.
I've spend hundreds of dollars on cosmetic items in an MMO that I play actively, pricesely because I -always- knew what i am getting for my money and the prices werent so redicilously overpriced. It's in their best interest to take note from companies that have done the microtransactions model better, trust me.
Levelling up after 100 is pure pointless and these white knights. This really has greed all over it. Give us like a box every 3/5 levels after 100. Tell you what give me the game for £40 and all the skins instead.
Originally I was of the mindset that I would give this issue a pardon. However the lack of transparency with the battle pass has turned torturous. It's still too early to say that they lied about a March release but getting this far into the month without any new significant information is a bad look. It comes across as either poor planning or a sly attempt to string along fans at the expense of those who have been keen to pay since launch.
The current store options are trash. Whether you choose to buy cosmetics directly or invest in apex packs, you will end up with very little if you were to only pay somewhere in the region of $60. After that you will be right back at square one earning only the slow, limited drip of items that all of the other free players get.
There's a layer of guilt tied to the fact that I've been enjoying this game without paying squat and ever since launch I have patiently waited to hear if the battle pass is indeed the answer. I want to give Respawn money with some assurance that I'm not going to end up with overpriced or unwanted junk.
Even without the release date there are other aspects to the battle pass which should have been answered by now, if only for the purpose of damage control. The longer I wait the more I worry that the pass isn't going to offer much, and that the price is going to turn out to be something ridiculous. Again it's not a good look in light of EA's past controversies and recent media storms surrounding other big players in the industry (like Dead or Alive 6's $93 season 1 pass).
All we know about it so far: It has a name. It's supposed to be this month. It will involve an unannounced degree of grinding before reaping the rewards.
TELL ME THAT THIS WON'T END UP BEING THE BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT OF 2019 SO FAR!
WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES? EITHER A DEAL WORTH WAITING FOR OR ANOTHER OBVIOUS JIM STERLING VIDEO!
I love games that keep me about because of their solid gameplay but when the game only offers Kings Canyon with randoms, cosmetic incentives are the next best thing.
Never spent a dime on this game, yet. Probably will only ever buy Battle Passes, if need be.
So because it's a business model to provide a product at no cost, and accept money in return for items which are NOT required to play the game, it's somehow... abusive?
PSN has parental control over accounts EXACTLY to prevent this reason - so kids can't spend money on parents credit cards. If a kid has access to use family credit cards, purchases in-game RNG boxes and loses money... that is the fault OF THE PARENT, not the game. There is a reason for a legal age to obtain a credit card and for parental controls to exist.
Next, if a minor decides to spend their own money from proceeds earned on their own labour/work, it's THEIR MONEY. If you want to take this argument you might as well say everything in the world is abusive branding and all children should be hidden in a corner to prevent manipulation. What's the difference between a kids Coca-Cola commercial and RNG? Either way the kid is choosing to spend money on something they perceive valuable. Coca-Cola targets kids in commercials, should you rise up and file a complaint? If it's THEIR money.... THEY EARNED IT... they can choose what to do with it. Values, morals and principles are put in place by parents. You can't prevent stupid, stupid is stupid. You can't base business models and make them one-size fits all, not everyone is equal.
You basically said: "I don't like RNG and therefore think it's an invalid business model." < quietly continues to play Apex Legends for free while enjoying F2P business model >
@abromley039 wrote:Never spent a dime on this game, yet. Probably will only ever buy Battle Passes, if need be.
So because it's a business model to provide a product at no cost, and accept money in return for items which are NOT required to play the game, it's somehow... abusive?
PSN has parental control over accounts EXACTLY to prevent this reason - so kids can't spend money on parents credit cards. If a kid has access to use family credit cards, purchases in-game RNG boxes and loses money... that is the fault OF THE PARENT, not the game. There is a reason for a legal age to obtain a credit card and for parental controls to exist.
Next, if a minor decides to spend their own money from proceeds earned on their own labour/work, it's THEIR MONEY. If you want to take this argument you might as well say everything in the world is abusive branding and all children should be hidden in a corner to prevent manipulation. What's the difference between a kids Coca-Cola commercial and RNG? Either way the kid is choosing to spend money on something they perceive valuable. Coca-Cola targets kids in commercials, should you rise up and file a complaint? If it's THEIR money.... THEY EARNED IT... they can choose what to do with it. Values, morals and principles are put in place by parents. You can't prevent stupid, stupid is stupid. You can't base business models and make them one-size fits all, not everyone is equal.
You basically said: "I don't like RNG and therefore think it's an invalid business model." < quietly continues to play Apex Legends for free while enjoying F2P business model >
Don't try to sound all smart, while making assumptions, which are completely off the mark. No I don't enjoy F2P models. Not in the slighest. On the contrary -- I would've prefered to pay a full price for that game and enjoy an actual ingame progression, where you get rewarded for the time you invest in the game not by some awful RNG garbage system that rewards someone with great drops while dropping only crap for others.
What is there to enjoy in a F2P model anyway? The constant trolls that make free accounts on the fly only to troll people, so they can feel a little better about their insignificent selves? The high level of toxicity F2P brings? The thriving ground for all kind of cheaters? The absurdly overpriced ingame store purchases, because the company feel they can get away with it, since they slapped free to play on their title?
My argument isn't about me being cheap and wanting to play a game completely free. It's funny how you conviniently ignored the last paragraph in my post, where i said i spend hundreds of dollars on cosmetics in other game, when I've actually been given the option to CHOSE what I buy. To add on that -- the game i talk about is an MMO with a one time purchase price - so i've payed the full one time purchase price, i've paid the price for every expansion thus far and on top of that i've spend hundreds of dollars in the ingame store, because I've always been able to pick what I purchase and i've been given more then enough ingame content to feel that the developers are more then deserving of such continued support.
I don't see any of that here - all I see is 45 apex packs for the whole 1-100 level progression, that can either drop you a few decent things, or drop you a bunch of crap that you dont want and need. I see overpriced skins on the store, i see useless legends tokens, which you can use only after you drop 20 euro on a skin.
If that's fine for you, well enjoy it I guess. But don't try to bring the 'Stop being so cheap argument' against people who are not fond at all of those kind of business models, because imo they do a lot more harm then good for games and communities.
