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M4ssacres's avatar
M4ssacres
3 years ago

Making console players and PC players cross-play by default would be foolish

Recently, while browsing news, I came across a "rumor" that Respawn will be upgrading the engine for APEX Legends by the end of the year and will merge next-gen console players and PC players into th...
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M4ssacres's avatar
M4ssacres
3 years ago
@CCbathwater Anyway, it is foolish and unreasonable to default to cross-play between PC and console players. The purpose of cross-play is to allow players from different platforms to game together, not to subject PC and console players to a frustrating and highly unfair competition. Although APEX may not be the best in this regard for now, they are certainly much better than simply forcing PC and console players to cross-platform matchmaking by default. I truly hope they don't do something stupid that would harm APEX.
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Giftwilliam117
3 years ago
@M4ssacres I have also read that post, and the author himself expressed low possibility. Anyway, one of the reasons why I still choose to play Apex Legends on PS5 is because the closed system environment of consoles can maintain game balance to the maximum extent and provide a gaming experience free from cheating. I also think it's foolish to automatically match PC and next-gen console players together. But nothing is conclusive, so let's keep an open mind.
  • matzesingt's avatar
    matzesingt
    3 years ago
    @Giftwilliam117 In what bubble are you living in my friend ? Consoles are just as full with cheaters as pc if not significantly more since it’s much cheaper safer and easier to cheat there

    I will just leave one more word here:
    Cronus
  • SacrificialSlot's avatar
    SacrificialSlot
    3 years ago

    @matzesingt Nailed the head my man!  Unfortunately there are other cheating methods for them than just Cronus.  That just happens to be the most commonly used and easily available.  The price of some of them is the same or lower than a month or 2 of paid PC cheats.  These are not detected or banned for in Apex AFAIK.

    It is hilarious to me that some people still think consoles can't cheat.  This is like saying something is not hackable nowadays.  

  • matzesingt's avatar
    matzesingt
    3 years ago
    @SacrificialSloth Dunno what’s up With consoleplayers and their false believe that cheating would be a pc exclusive thing tbh
  • XxColdFangxX's avatar
    XxColdFangxX
    3 years ago
    @matzesingt
    It isn't common knowledge that console players are capable of it now.
    It used to never be a thing. Even then I'm not sure it's nearly as common as coming across a PC cheater, but I could be wrong.
  • matzesingt's avatar
    matzesingt
    3 years ago
    @XxColdFangxX Well that depends on how d you consider strikepacks like Cronus cheating, if yes then I am pretty confident that they will be pretty even. And only because we have by now a lot of controllerplayers on pc if you couldn’t play with controller on pc then the amount of cheaters would be much higher on console. It’s just so easy cheap and safe to cheat with controller :-/

    But raw software cheats are much more rare on console.
  • XxColdFangxX's avatar
    XxColdFangxX
    3 years ago
    @matzesingt
    Yeah I have no clue how to tell whose using either, or much about what they do.
    I know strikepacks give extra paddles for button mapping and mods, but I don't know if you can use them with out making use of the mods because I don't see a problem with button mapping.
    And cronus is some kind of controller adapter?? If that's the case it would have to depend on the controller.

  • M4ssacres's avatar
    M4ssacres
    3 years ago
    @matzesingt Since he hasn't replied, let me answer this question on his behalf. I fully agree with @Giftwilliam117's viewpoint. While I acknowledge the existence of Cronus, it is evident that Cronus is not as absurd as it may seem. You should indeed take the time to understand how outrageous cheating on PC can be, including but not limited to aimbots, wallhacks, health locks, and armor absorption, which are functionalities that Cronus cannot achieve at all. Therefore, the capabilities of Cronus are far less than those various cheats available on PC. In simple terms, cheating does exist on console platforms, which cannot be denied, but the negative impact it has on regular players is significantly lighter compared to what those PC cheats can accomplish. No platform is entirely pure, but consoles indeed maintain a higher level of integrity.
  • M4ssacres's avatar
    M4ssacres
    3 years ago
    @SacrificialSloth If possible, I'd like to see the videos you uploaded to YouTube, showcasing those cheats on console platforms that are even more powerful than Cronus. Obviously, if such cheats exist, their accessibility and awareness are much lower than the various cheats available on PC. Just by searching for Apex cheats on Google, almost 99% of the results are related to PC cheats, which speaks volumes. Again, I want to emphasize that console platforms are not completely cheats-free, but under normal circumstances, the gaming environment on consoles is undoubtedly better than that on PC platforms.
  • XxColdFangxX's avatar
    XxColdFangxX
    3 years ago

    @M4ssacres
    It's likely they won't be able to
    At least not in the forums. I've been told ea doesn't take kindly to people talking about and describing the kinds of  cheats in the game.
    They end up removing the post and even banning those that post them for a time.
    Absolutely lame if you ask me, there's no harm in educating the community about what these cheats are doing and how to spot them.

    They'll just look them up anyway. 

  • SacrificialSlot's avatar
    SacrificialSlot
    3 years ago

    @M4ssacres Not vids I uploaded (I did not say I uploaded vids, links to cheat devices/software/walkthroughs, which are forbidden on the forums).  Just use google and be amazed at the plethora of active working cheats for every platform.  Cronus, Strikepack, config files, ddos lobbies into oblivion (looking at you Xbox) etc etc etc.  Some of these methods either cheaper than PC cheats, or even free. 

    I never said more powerful than Cronus.  It just is not the only way for console players to cheat.  Yes, the come pay $$/month for cheats is almost always a PC thing.  But the buy the thing and tweak it to cheat status is definitely a thing for console users.

    You are delusional if you think console cheats don't exist, or they only exist in small pockets.  This was the thought with PC cheats a decade ago and man was everyone wrong.

  • matzesingt's avatar
    matzesingt
    3 years ago
    @M4ssacres I agree that cheating on pc can archive much more, but we also need to be real here, I played like 2500 hours on apex and I haven’t once seen a hacker with rage settings. Like seriously not a single time.people that do that expect to get banned and don’t really care.

    Ofcourse I ran into a solid amount of people that I found very sus but it was never an obvious and blatant case. Maybe it’s just me, I played cs for very well over 20 years and I’ve seen a lot even on highest rank in go.

    For me cheating is cheating how extreme it is, isn’t really relevant for me. I would also argue that someone using mnk with Cronus has a significant advantage over other controllerplayers. I probably ran into more than thousands of Cronus users on pc and console alike. Theese mods are a serious issue in apex.

    When it comes to serious cheating on ps etc I am sure it’s possible. Once you crack that thing you can install whatever the f you want. But I never looked into it, and considering that consoleplayers are usually more on the casual side the number will be very low of people going that way.
  • SacrificialSlot's avatar
    SacrificialSlot
    3 years ago

    @matzesingt I have definitely seen the rage settings in Apex.  They were s0-s1 era.  Agreed the closest you get nowadays is sus PC players.  I have been playing this game since s0 and have over 3k hours on PC. 

    Also remember that those software cheats available to PC are much easier to detect and circumvent.  I know COD tried once, but has Respawn ever detected and removed a player due to a controller mod (cronus or otherwise)?  So far, there are no negative consequences to using the hardware cheat.  This just means these options grow over time, and so does the population using them.

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