4 years ago

News: Rank Demotion Is Not Happening

Before the actual developer response about the issue, a short context why he needed to even address it.

ImperialHal said in a recent twitter thread that he feels that Rank Demotion should be placed since 1/2 of the lobby instantly dies and get farmed by preds. He’s talking about hardstuck Masters IV players. Hal is asking for a huge overhaul of the entire RP system basically. So another twitter user named, Skyroz DMed a Respawn dev asking about the possibility of rank demotion in the game and here’s his answer:

“Not only is it a direction change in game design and rank system. Demotions also destroys the entire RP economy. Imagine a designer having to pitch that to a director, and what amount of work, socialization, alignment, preparation have to go into making sure leadership is comfortable with a change like that which could potentially be negative for one of the most popular queue in the game.

Making the change itself in code is easy. It’s the implication, side effect, tradeoffs that people don’t understand. I’m not going to make a change that improves the experience for the 0.1% and destroy the experience for 90% of the other players”

The private DM screenshot covered the name of the developer who responded for obvious reasons but the dev admitted that it was him replying to the tweet with the screenshot.

I personally don’t care about ranked anymore but how do you guys feel about this? I know this has been talked a lot already but this recent statement just crushes the hopes of those who want demotion in the game. Are you happy the way ranked is right now? What changes do you want for ranked?

*Didn’t place a link to the source but if you look up the names I’ve mentioned above you will see the dev response. Another reason not to go here in this site if you only want a dev to reply. Twitter and reddit is the place to go. LOL.

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32 Replies

KelRiever
4 years ago
It’s a complete theory that rank demotion would make ranked better. Maybe it’s true but nobody here has much more than their thoughts and feelings and opinions.
I think at this point the issue should be put at rest. Seems to me you get as many people who keep on playing with tier protection as not. I don’t personally believe tier protection hurts more than it helps.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man Ah another instance of the top whiner in the game. The top preds only complain about stuck masters when they die to them. I guarentee they gain more from them than they lose too. Without masters and diamonds in the pred lobbies they wouldn't even find a match.

Demotion wouldn't fix anything. If a guy gets to a level, then they lose the next game and get demoted, they can do well in the next to get back. You'd just get people yoyoing between levels. Some would stop at the level to ensure they dont go backwards. Then you lose players playing ranked. And at the top level, whether they are diamond or masters, it doesn't matter because they'd still be in pred lobbies.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@KelRiever People need to tweet daily for their followers. That's why this comes up. lol
KelRiever
4 years ago
@hayhor Then I have been click baited.
GOOD JOB CHEESEMAN!
Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
Always praised rank demotion, always will, especially as a single queue player that's above the average skill set.
Cro_Pittt
4 years ago
@hayhor Demotion actually would help since you get players carried in higher tiers (sometimes they even pay for it) when they simply are not on that level. Plat IV is full of those people, some of them would have to really start playing better in order to get back to it. Of course it'd not fix the issue permanently but at least it'd help with it partially.
I wouldn't apply it to Master though since queue times would dramatically rise.
OldTreeCreeper
Hero+
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man I'd just stop playing once I got to my ranked goal, which I more or less do anyways. Can't see it changing anything much really.
KelRiever
4 years ago
@Cro_Pittt Once you get to Plat, I believe, you can't team up with someone more than one rank below you. Therefore, if you get carried as you say, you're really only within 1 category, and it means you had to team up with someone who could handle their weight and yours.
I don't really see that as a problem. First, it's just a badge, it only means something to an individual to have a certain rank, and second, it's a lot of work to get there, relying on someone else. Sort of good luck with that is what I'd tell these people, and it's not super amazing to tag a rank. Rank decline would NOT prevent that, as it'd just be a matter of not playing that rank again for the carried player.
You're battling with Respawn who wants more players playing their game no matter what. It's not going to help them to have players drop ranked is what they are saying clearly, so you'd seriously have to come at the argument and explain how the ranked player base would grow if you had rank loss. And I think what the dev is saying here is, also, good luck with that.
I wouldn't care myself, again. But I could tell you it's easy to imagine stopping playing after a player achieved rank, rather than trying to go further. It'd be just too frustrating.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Cro_Pittt I don't see how demotion would help. If demotion existed this would still happen. The only difference is these players would quit playing. We know thats the complete opposite of engagement.

Players who get carried now become fodder for better players. Many will say yeah but they are my teammates and ruin my game but I can guarantee you probably kill more of them than you have for teammates. Things tend to even out.
OldTreeCreeper
Hero+
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man I decided to go and have a look a Hal and he was live on TTV. It was all happening so fast that I could not keep up, ah well. Unbelieveble stunning play.
He was having a discussion however, while playing so I'm not sure how much thought he put into it or if he was just trying to be controversial. He may well have put a lot of thought into it.
He said that getting to pred is an average accomplishment for an average player and time was all that was needed.
He also said that being the number one pred didn't mean you were a good player.
He is currently 127 pred.
Then one of his squaddies said that someone had just said (on a feed I guess) that Hal wasn't in the top 100 preds. Hal immediately said he had been top 20 for a number of seasons.
Nicely baited there 😃