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Cheese9Man
4 years ago
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Rank rework confirmed!

Any guesses on what changes will be made? Is it safe to assume that it will be major changes since they had to make a promo just for it? Full Blogpost: https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/ne...
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  • KelRiever's avatar
    KelRiever
    4 years ago

    I think there are going to be a lot of people quitting ranked if there is ranked demotion.  I mean, there kind of is already.  Will it help the remaining IVs in each ranked to not hot drop?

    I don't think so.  I think they hit their 'IV's and leave.  

    But nobody said they'd do that.  You rise and fall through the ranks as it stands right now.  It's just that a lot of people play badly, part because Respawn guides them to do exactly what you don't if you want to win.  Things like:

    "Stick together, and you'll win more." 

    "Don't loot your team mate's box."

    "The ring's closing, better move."

    I mean, we can go on, but no to all these things.

Cro_Pittt's avatar
Cro_Pittt
4 years ago

@hayhor @KelRiever I disagree with the "people will stop playing" because they already do it now. Take me as an example: once i reach Diamond i always stop playing because i don't have the time or the will to keep going. And for sure other players do the same. And the ranked changes will not affect me just like it will not affect others. If i want to grind more one season then i'll keep playing even with demotion being introduced. On the other hand i think this could at least make part of the throwers stop playing because they know they reached that rank carried by someone else so they'll not risk it. Could this raise queue times? Yes, BUT if this means better quality in game then i'll gladly wait 5 more minutes in lobby.

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Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Cro_Pittt Agreed! I think the main objective of these changes is to get the bad players out of those crucial bottom tiers (P4/D4/M4) to give the better ones a chance to get out of those tiers asap by being matched with players that actually want to play, and have a better game awareness. Obviously we all have bad games, but if you're consistently having them, you'll rightfully get demoted. It doesn't make any sense that P2 and P1 are way easier than P4. Since I've been playing rank, the majority of my time is spent in P4, and D4.
  • KelRiever's avatar
    KelRiever
    4 years ago

    The thing is, it's Respawn's scoring system causing a ton of people to be in rank IV, NOT the player's fault.  Again, when you are playing people presumably of the same skill level, and you beat 75% of them, and you LOSE points, it's not like you 'weren't trying'.  It's the fault of their borked system.

    This doesn't really change the problem because it's really punishing the honest players, and letting the 'carried' actually get away fine.  So, let's say someone honestly tries for a higher rank, and they want to play in that rank, and they aren't really good enough so they get pushed back.  Meanwhile tag and leave people stick at the higher rank.  Most of all, this matters hugely for splits, because if you tag a IV, you're going to place much higher after the split, than the honest player.

    I think the belief is that only people who really want to play ranked will stick in, whereas people who find it tough may just leave.  I don't believe that one bit.  Only temporarily will that be true, towards the end of a season.  But I think even good and honest players will completely ditch season end because of the fear of a bad luck game that knocks them back.  Well, 4 bad luck games, at least they give you 3 losses at a rank before they kick you down.

    • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
      Gabrielmojo26
      Seasoned Ace
      4 years ago

      @KelRieverSorry but 8 games out of 10 both my teammates are dead on the drop, leaving me on a suicide mission to recover banners, and if can't get them, i'm left trying to fight full squads by myself for the entire game. That has nothing to do with RP or KP, and everything to do with players that shouldn't be in Plat because they make stupid decisions, jump contested, or simply got carried to plat and just can't keep up. If you make it out of P4, you basically know how to play and can hold your own. Something needed to be done.

      • KelRiever's avatar
        KelRiever
        4 years ago

        @Gabrielmojo26 Interesting.  It's literally the same problem I have.  I just think the answers we have are different.

        Without question, if you drop bad because your two team mates decided to suicide and drag you along for the ride, you're a dead 'team player'  But if you just break away, leaving them to fend for themselves, like you say, they're probably dead and you end up carrying them.  I've been going on about this for like, ever, now.  

        You must, if you pug, you must not care about your team mates.  They will get you killed.  This is completely different if you are loading a full pre-made where everybody knows each other.  I too often say if I can get to the top 5 on my own, solo, then there's no reason the duo of my other two team members shouldn't be able to get there themselves, and we can meet in the last rings.  These are the only times I end up playing real 'team games' with my mates.  This seldom happens.  But even more seldom? I die and the duo carries me.

        A lot of people vouch for this method in other games, saying you shouldn't be able to raise rank if you can't carry your mates.  That's sort of demented to me, I don't think that should be a game ethic at all.  However, in Apex, that is so often true.  You know, for those who quit when their timer runs out, are just hurting themselves when I'm placing them higher.  Those who do stick around as dead gray boxes will get the carry.  And let's say they did get 1 or 2 kills before they died in 18th place...so much more the better for them if they stick when I'm hitting top 5.

        But I just go back to that this is a core problem in Apex, not just ranked.  Even if it works for ranked play, the problem still exists.  My solutions would definitely be unpalatable because if you really want to enforce rules with punishment instead of rewards, you will tether team mates to each other so they can't actually go too far away.  But of course, that means you'd be stuck with them in their stupid hot drop too.

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    4 years ago
    @Gabrielmojo26 Is it really going to seperate the bad tho? According to what you guys have said you only go back one tier lower and cannot go back further. Plus these people are still in plat lobbies and they still get plat rewards. To me this looks like a fake change to appease you guys.
    • Asmodeus566's avatar
      Asmodeus566
      Hero+
      4 years ago

      @Gabrielmojo26 @KelRiever @hayhor 

      in the last few post I have seen all the talk about how players may or may not quit ranked once they reach a certain level so as not to be dropped or how the hot droppers deserve what they get etc. I do not care about any of that at all it will sort itself out.

      I think you are all missing a greater point though, you are all looking at this at a solo players perspective and they are rolling this out with an emphasis on team play. All of those solo q players that do not even attempt to play with their teammates because they think they are Rambo will not get far. They have even stated that you need placement and kills to maximize because as they have stated the further down the road you get with kills the less and less the will be rewarded/weighted for RP. All of those Solo Q I do not like my teammates Rambo D4's are going to find out that they are plat players after all. 

      even if you solo Q you should be following this mantra: Play as a team, kill as a team win as a team or die as a team.

    • dSKyNafinchin's avatar
      dSKyNafinchin
      Hero
      4 years ago
      @hayhor I haven't read through the entire thread, so my apologies if this has already been said. Is it confirmed that you can only go back the 50% of the previous tier? I read it as, if you drop out of say Plat IV, you get dropped to 50% of Gold I, and resume ranked play as normal from there, meaning you can go up or down at that point. I was under the impression that the 50% tier drop is just for the initial demotion out of the IV tier.
      • Asmodeus566's avatar
        Asmodeus566
        Hero+
        4 years ago

        @dSKyNafinchin 

        you typed faster but I just said the same and I think we are both right,

    • Asmodeus566's avatar
      Asmodeus566
      Hero+
      4 years ago

      @hayhor um I think the demotion protection removal is a bit misunderstood at the moment.

      So lets say I make Plat 4 have used up my 3 protected matches and continue to lose Rp and get demoted to the lower rank that would then put me at 50% marker in Gold 1. we are all agreed on this point.

      So lets just say you are at that 50% gold 1 point and continue to have bad games and continue to lose RP then you will drop tiers with in gold 2-3-4 and if you then lose enough to drop to Silver then you will get dropped to 50% Silver one mark etc etc. so yes I believe you can in fact keep getting dropped if you keep having bad games. 

      Like I said before the point is to play as a team. 

      Think of the new Ranked system as a Pubs ALGS because that is what the new system is gearing towards. 

      • hayhor's avatar
        hayhor
        Hero
        4 years ago

        @Asmodeus566You think as I do. Most of the others in this thread see it differently.

        If they really wanted algs style play they'd make the points work exactly the same as it. The issue is they worry people like tad would quit because it would no longer be a fast paced shooter.

        I don't see the changes leading to more team play from randoms. If tad queues with randoms and they aren't pushers he will get frustrated.

        This is the issue with the game and people. It is a BR with incredible movement and fun. BRs are about winning matched no matter what. If you kill the 3rd place team and die to the team that wins, you still lost. It isn't like the team that loses the super bowl gets consolation trips to Disney. But again the issue is the game is so good movement wise people want to be constantly fighting. I think the real answer is another mode. A 60 player based kill mode. You climb in ranked just by killing. Placement means nothing.

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