@Daze623 And they have calculated all the variables that has been changed that I named? Can you post the link to one from season 1 - 2.
Ones I´ve seen that are floating back from reddit did not even include headshot, it was calculated on body hits only - I mean you have to agree that those spreadsheets are a bit of a joke right?
Mercules904's TTK spreadsheet
I think this was for preseason Apex even before L-star and Havoc came out.
I'm still looking for other early season Apex's TTK charts that people made. They're a bit harder to find now cause of how buried they are. The reason most of them calculated body hits only is because of how realistic it is that you'd most likely hit the body than spray down the head.
The problem and complexity is, just to narrow it down to one subject as a reference. Headshot frequency, if we base a TTK on best case scenario. That would mean in season 1-2 that 100% of the shots where headshots right? Due to no recoil - no random recoil.
How would you calculate that in todays Apex? Even the best players in the world will miss shots due to random recoil, and will never really have 100% shots being headshots. How do you calculate the miss rate?
And if you simply calculate TTK based on bodyshots you wont actually calculate TTK at all, since how hard/easy landing headshots significally increases or decreases TTK.
This is the same for most of the things I listed, and why calculating TTK on a spreadsheat is nonsense. When you do not factor major attributes that have a major impact on the results.
@BaldWraithSimp Wingman was just a spam fest? Perhaps you were just bad at the game and instead of crying you should have played fortnight or another game that is more suited for you. How is that advice you easily hand out to others fit you? 🙂
My KD back in season 2 was 4+ in soloq, I didnt have a problem at all with the game, and I enjoyed season 2 the most since it rewarded skill the most - we had the most versatile meta (not just 2 weapons being super strong). But then all the whining kids came in.
@Daze623 no TTK = time to kill. That is why you cant compare a TTK spreadsheat that is i from season 1-2 vs one from today, since too much stuff changed - random recoil, bullet spread, re-balancing and soo much else.
It means nothing. We all, who played season 1-2 know that the TTK was very different back than. Again show me the spreadsheat from season 1-2, that you claimed was a thing. You wont.
I will repost this :
The problem and complexity is, just to narrow it down to one subject as a reference. Headshot frequency, if we base a TTK on best case scenario. That would mean in season 1-2 that 100% of the shots where headshots right? Due to no recoil - no random recoil.
How would you calculate that in todays Apex? Even the best players in the world will miss shots due to random recoil, and will never really have 100% shots being headshots. How do you calculate the miss rate?
And if you simply calculate TTK based on bodyshots you wont actually calculate TTK at all, since how hard/easy landing headshots significally increases or decreases TTK.
This is the same for most of the things I listed, and why calculating TTK on a spreadsheat is nonsense. When you do not factor major attributes that have a major impact on the results.
@BaldWraithSimp you seem really offended by your own advice, I mean that is exactly and the first thing you told me in this topic :D
@BaldWraithSimp I mean you claimed that TTK had not changed since season 1, then you admitted it had - and now you are just being butthurt from receiving your own advice. Yeah I am the whiny one :D
Look I dont really care that you were super bad in season 1-2, or what excuses you had to make for it. If you didnt like the TTK you should have played something else.
@Daze623 I know, thats exactly my point. When I was told that "If I dont like the current TTK I should play another game". According to said member, the TTK was set in stone, and I should never question it.
So I´m giving him his own advice, and seeing his brain rott away..
@BaldWraithSimp I never claimed I liked a super low TTK, I said I liked the TTK the game had during season 1-2.
Perhaps you need to learn how to read or even make an argument.
And people didnt notice the TTK from season 1-2? Everyone that I´ve spoken to has, and they agree that it was much better before. You think this forum represents all of the Apex community? Dear child. Give it a rest :D
@BaldWraithSimp most people who dissliked the TTK going up every season left the game, season 1-2 was a long time ago.
TTK is more complicated, there is no fix - and there is no going back to what we had in season 1-2. But nerfing weapons instead of buffing them will only increase the TTK further, in season 2 and what was great was the meta - you had a lot of weapons that were crazy good, and not like it is now - that one weapon in medium/long range dominates everything.
I think the test they did was due to some major players leaving the game due to high TTK that kind of forced them to overthink. Or perhaps respawn just wanted to go back to their initial vision of the TTK and try it out. I want a meta like we did in season 2, meaning alot of weapons being really good instead of only 1 or 2 being super good. And I want weapons that require skill to be better than they are today, much like in season 2.
So TTK is now not calculated on best case scenario but on bodyshots and you claim that is real proof.
And you are referring to a document that has 391 views as empiric evidence, when you do not even know how TTK is calculated (on best scenario). Yap, these forums man.
If I try to even explain what you guys are saying on these forums, people wont believe me - I really have to screenshot it. New level of Sadge 2021.
Hate to break it, but TTK is calculated based on optimal gameplay.
Posting this again for the 3d time.
The problem and complexity is, just to narrow it down to one subject as a reference. Headshot frequency, if we base a TTK on best case scenario. That would mean in season 1-2 that 100% of the shots where headshots right? Due to no recoil - no random recoil.
How would you calculate that in todays Apex? Even the best players in the world will miss shots due to random recoil, and will never really have 100% shots being headshots. How do you calculate the miss rate?
And if you simply calculate TTK based on bodyshots you wont actually calculate optimal TTK at all, since how hard/easy landing headshots significally increases or decreases optimal TTK.
The spreadsheets that do take TTK seriously, you would have to put in your % chance to hit headshots % body shots and % miss to actually calculate a optimal TTK.
And only then would you see that the % chance to hit headshots has drastically gone down due to random recoil, meaning TTK will be impacted greatly just due to that change. Instead of googling spreadsheats, you should have googled how to calculate a proper optimal TTK... I can recommend having a look at this one : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_6zsM7kzvg0aUT8YtM_-Wg_5K1gKDOlrwfVzutEjq-s/edit#gid=0
@Daze623 it really is not though. When I explained that the version of the game from season 1-2 was very different and trying to even compare a spreadsheet would be too complicated and inaccurate - you guys still had the illusion that it was possible, you even went to contradict your self with "TTK is from optimal play" to "TTK is well, body shots? I don't really know I just use google" kind of response after I presented what optimal TTK is, and why trying to compare TTK from non optimal play in season 1-2 vs todays season is pointless.
You really don't need to be a genius to come to the conclusion that if they add random recoil that will increase TTK, and you really don't need me to tell you that when muzzle flash is being changed and bullet drop damage / size of pellet / clip size / hs damage / body damage are also changing while the meta always changes (remember the alternator hopup that everyone cried that it lazered them in a second) - that will impact optimal TTK.
And you really don´t need me to explain that when weapons are stronger we will have a shorter TTK, but here we are.
Here is a reminder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/c8y3o8/alternator_hop_up_is_literally_broken/
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