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Re: Disadvantage on purpose?

Thank you for your reply. Yeah I know how crazy this sounds but I find it odd that some people have it easier than others. And I've never once seen a content creator or streamer experience these issues even when they purposely choose high ping servers.

I won't be posting a video as I know how that will go down lol. It's more something you need to "feel", but you can see it at times too. 

I'm surprised at the replies myself 🙂 

Thank you for your feedback and it's good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. 

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  • aisthebestletter's avatar
    aisthebestletter
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter I also seem to have games where I miss way more shots than normal. You can definitely tell something is wrong. Then other games I am hitting every shot. This game makes me irate.
  • maximas1986's avatar
    maximas1986
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    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter I want to add one more thing and I want to know if it's the same with you.
    whenever something like this happens, I mean something not normal doest always happens when you encounter a predator or a streamer?
    I will give examples of what I have noticed.
    as I said before, during CQC my opponent's movement suddenly accelerates, like WTF did that come from.
    when am about to destroy one of these guys shots start to not register, and it happens so often I even lost count especially when using shotguns, it happened one time that three Consecutive shots not big registered, and a couple of time the weapon (EVA 8) stop shooting for a second that means one shot didn't go out from the gun and sure you can guess who my opponent was.
    how many times you drop in an area with another team and sweep the whole floor trying to find a decent weapon other than a freaking mozam and P2020 but before you could find any you get destroyed by the best weapons and shields in the game which was just waiting for the other team, and again you can guess what kind of team was that.
    man, even when dropping our of from ship the other team gets to the ground long before you get there even if you jump at the same exact moment, i call that rocket launcher jump.



  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
    Not applicable
    5 years ago

    Exactly, this. People will say your aim is off but in some games it just feels easier to get on target and keep it there. 

  • gg123xyz's avatar
    gg123xyz
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    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter i notice the speed on pc is slower than speed on ps4. while sprinting. something off with the running speed.
  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
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    5 years ago

    On Thursday I think I had a lot of shots not register, emptied a whole clip from a Volt into a Caustic and it was as if nothing happened. I could specifically see that only about 1/3 of my shots registered. He shrugged it off and downed me like nothing. In a later game the same day the same thing happened while shooting at a Revenant. I just stopped using the Volt after that.. 

    Well yes, to some extent I have experienced some of it. Sometimes it feels like I'm slowed down in CQC but the other team seems to be all over the place. And I sometimes wonder, you know those games where you just rip through a squad like it was nothing? Could it be that at that moment that squad was experiencing this exact same thing? So, makes you wonder, if that is true, how big of a role does your skill really play in the game? Did I win by merit or was it designed for me to win? 

    As for the loot, people will say it's just part of RNG. I'm not so sure that's the whole story. The other day I was losing match after match and couldn't even get a kill. The next match on drop I open a door and lo and behold there's golden armor, a r99 with a blue mag with a flatline I believe lying next to it, just waiting for me. The lobby was also considerably easier. So there's that... I can't be sure but it does sometimes feel like loot will spawn to my benefit or demise. The hardest lobbies will typically have the worst loot. It's random most of the time but every so often I wonder. 

  • Cheese9Man's avatar
    Cheese9Man
    Not applicable
    5 years ago

    Just from watching youtube videos I would constantly notice how fast they're moving. Maybe they're on a faster sensitivity (I'm on 5-5 btw) but that would not explain how scary a fully stacked pred team chasing you with 3 mastiffs.

  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
    Not applicable
    5 years ago

    Yes, true. My sens is pretty high myself, I'm on 7, but like you said it won't really account for movement and running speed. 

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter Do you think a youtuber is going to post a video where they have problems? No, they post their best games. Take for example sooxfar or itemp. They rarely stream live but when they do you get to see them in many struggles.
  • aisthebestletter's avatar
    aisthebestletter
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    I just had about 8 games. In 6 of them, I was getting destroyed, missing shots, bullets not registering, moving like I was in molasses and then boom, 2200+ damage, 7 kill win. Hit almost every shot and moved like Muhammad Ali. What changed?! 

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago
    @aisthebestletter Connection and/or opponent skill level. The sbmm has a huge multiplier for very recent form. I can go from crazy sweaty lobbies to people that look like bots and back.
  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
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    5 years ago
    @aisthebestletter That right there! Sbmm aside, you felt like a better player overall right? movement, aim etc? Not just an easier lobby?
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
    Hero+
    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter One huge boost to speed is being on a ledge and slightly moving then sliding off that ledge. This will give a gravity landing in sliding form like say horizon would have landing on her feet. So if coming off a ledge rock or what ever be sure to slid at edge of that lip. A lot do not do this and ive seen it cost them their life due to enemy chasing is still keeping up due to user not having that ledge slide speed boost.
  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC Thanks for the tip, I also try to go into a slide whenever I hit the ground so I don't get that small landing animation.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
    Hero+
    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter Well say you are in frag. The back of the city near train tracks. that big cement and grass divider if you slide off that on the edge it grants a huge speed boost verse running. So you want to slide off that object stay in your slide animation. Never remove finger from the slide animation. This is something is used and perfected in firing range using octane on jump pads doing trick shots hip fire. This slide animation has soo much benefit that a lot do not utilize. Depending on map i can slide around like they do in titan fall. Just glide bouncing and sliding. Hip fire on the slide is also very good.
  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC Nice! The real issue for me is in game movement / actions feeling sluggish at times vs opponents. I don't notice it in firing range. And sometimes it just dissappears and everything feels great. That's why I started to wonder if maybe some of it is forced onto players intentionally at times. I also started to notice certain patterns with the game regarding movement / responsiveness that directly influences things like win rates.
  • DoYaSeeMe's avatar
    DoYaSeeMe
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    5 years ago

    @Sand_spitterI felt a lot of sluggishness lately, but what's worse is that there's input delay too. Maybe this was introduced with the latest patch, with the fix for the animation exploit that allowed users to draw and shoot guns in the boxing arena. Alternatively, it's possible that they increased some buffering values, to increase stability. It's not the same in all matches, so it's probably something that takes into account the average delay variance or some stability indicators.

    It's normal for pursuers to be faster in general. If you move to the sides to dodge bullets, you travel more distance (20-40%). If you get hit by bullets or run with the weapon unholstered, you're also slowed. Deciding where to go can cost a few miliseconds on every turn. If you run away from someone who's pretty close, it's hard to gain enough distance quickly, actually none if the enemy follows your exact movement. 

    On top of the above, consider Bloodhounds with ultimate activated, Octanes, Pathfinders, Horizons, Lobas that are faster or can take shortcuts which are not possible for the other legends. Also, there are moments when the enemies use movement exploits (through macros), speed hacks and wall hacks, in that case only their lack in skills and game sense can save you.

  • GH0STEDbyME's avatar
    GH0STEDbyME
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago


    @maximas1986 I've noticed it happen a few times. I can't say whether they were a streamer or not very I've seen questionable connection/ server issues when facing champion squads. You appear to have slowed ever so slightly or they rotate, reload or fire faster. Shots won't register or if you're extremely lucky you might trade and you both get downed at the same time.

    There's been numerous matches back to back (playing ranked) tonight where whole areas have been trash loot. The RNG has been a complete joke. I don't get how you're supposed to compete when you have nothing (you might have one gun if you're lucky) vs a squad with purple shields with meta guns. Like they've all got some aggressive version of Lobas passive. It's always the champion squad or some kind of sweaty premade.

    I have experienced "rocket launcher" jump myself but in all fairness if @Koochi-Q is JM it's very very rare that someone will beat us to the drop.


    @hayhor I've seen sooxfar get melted numerous times and you can see him getting annoyed but its kinda refreshing to see it happen to them because you can emphasise. I saw it happen Rogue on twitch the other day and he's what currently ranked 5?

    @DoYaSeeMe I've noticed the input latency but ignored it and put it down to my control as I've also got quite a bad stick drift on my RS. The game must just think I love missing ziplines, having to press reload 3 times in a fight before anything actually happens or me having to frantically button bash to pick up the same items three times as they magically reappear back on the floor after being picked up..


  • maximas1986's avatar
    maximas1986
    Not applicable
    5 years ago
    @GH0STEDbyME there is one more thing which I noticed recently during this season, during a fight while exchanging shot with your opponent and then when his health is low and gets few shots away from being knocked he freezes, I mean stop moving, stop shooting as he got disconnected but he's actually didn't.
    I've seen happen so many times, I even saw my teammates freezing but he actually was moving around, and the way I was able to see it that I got killed so the camera moved up to bird view just before he gets killed as well, at that moment he was maneuvering to avoid shots but from where I was watching he was standing still for a second this is when the other team just finished him off.
    I've seen my opponents get in the same situation and it's always happened before the killing shot, this is a very questionable situation.
    how I can know that this not happening to me when suddenly I get melted even when I know that I was moving, strafing, crouching, and doing every move in the book to avoid this result but still when I get knocked I ask my self how the F did that happen and not to mention a start question every shot I fired and believe me I get shocked when I see the damage I did don't reflect the shots I fired and HIT
  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
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    5 years ago
    @maximas1986 I noticed it too! Was hoping to get a recording but didn't play this weekend and I rarely if ever record my matches anymore.

    Happed twice to me so far. Guy was shooting me up, and I should've been dead but he just froze mid fight which gave me a chance to kill him.
  • gg123xyz's avatar
    gg123xyz
    Not applicable
    5 years ago
    @Sand_spitter imagine of there was some way to make people run slower to help sbmm. then help other people run fast to help them win.
  • Sand_spitter's avatar
    Sand_spitter
    Not applicable
    5 years ago

    @gg123xyzYes that's what I was thinking, a way to manipulate outcomes to matches, kind of like a nerf or slight buff to the player. Thing is, if it's happening there are many things to manipulate aside from movement. Think about bullet speed, reload times, input delay, damage numbers, aim, switching weapons time etc... I won't be surprised if it's already there but I'm not sure. 

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