Re: I made an LFG tool for Apex Legends

So I can collect the same information that I was told I'm not allowed to collect, as long as I meet the requirement that people who haven't signed up can anonymously browse the information of the people who have? That's the reasoning here? So that even more people can see more of the information I'm supposedly not allowed to collect? I could have an update like that pushed up in hours.

Can someone tell me what the real, actual rules are? Or is it just based on whether or not tptb are having a good or bad day at the time? I wasn't told "sign up must be optional and not required" I was told "you cannot ask for email addresses" which are two very different things.

@EleoActually, I don't see how sign-up is different to the other reason given when the sign-up requires email. Sign-up is the act of joining, enlisting or enrolling/being enrolled into something.

me: here's a site I made, only requires email to sign up

community manager: you can't ask people their emails, URL redacted

me: wait but here's a site that also requires an email address to sign up, why did you not remove that one?

random guy: because that site doesn't require signup to use it, duh

me: oh, I get it, so I as long as sign up isn't required, I can ask users for their email addresses if they choose to sign up?

random guy: no

me:

@Eleo 

As far as I know, and from what the CM has said to you, if you are asking for people to sign-up to your product using an email address then that it is not allowed on the forums. In addition, advertising is also not allowed on the forums.

In your opening post you said "You can sign up with as little as just your email address". I expect that this is what brought your post advertising a product which requires sign up via email to the attention of the CM.

The part of your latest post where you say "oh, I get it, so I as long as sign up isn't required, I can ask users for their email addresses if they choose to sign up?". If you're saying that your product works without requiring sign-up via email, then I expect the right thing to would be to ask a CM in a private message explaining how your product works for permission to make a post about it. However, that is not the way you explained your product in your original post.

Also, linking a 1st party website (such as a stats site) is not the same as advertising a completely new and unknown product which requires an email sign-up.

Having said all that - it's completely up to the CMs as to what is right and appropriate. Ultimately, it's at their discretion as to what they allow or don't allow.

You keep changing your story.

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@warslag wrote:

advertising is also not allowed on the forums.

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Here's a quote from the actual rules regarding "advertising":

• Advertise. For anything: pay-to-play gaming sites, products or items for sale, referral links or advert links/images in forum signatures, avatar posts, blogs, profiles, you name it! But feel free to link to free gaming fan sites and free-to-enter league sites.

My site falls under the category of "fan site" or "free-to-enter league site" which is in accordance with the rules. You see, I actually read the rules before making my appeal, so I would know what I was talking about. You know, as opposed to just making new, contradictory things up as I go along. I'm not selling anything. There aren't even ads on my site. There is no monetary incentive here. It is a site for people who play Apex Legends. This is a fan site.

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@warslag wrote:

If you're saying that your product works without requiring sign-up via email, then I expect the right thing to would be to ask a CM in a private message explaining how your product works for permission to make a post about it. However, that is not the way you explained your product in your original post.

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Literally the first thing I did before bumping this thread. EA_Atic did not respond to my message despite being active on the forums in the interim.

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@warslag wrote:

Also, linking a 1st party website (such as a stats site) is not the same as advertising a completely new and unknown product which requires an email sign-up.

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As I said, you keep changing your story. You keep inventing new, arbitrary reasons for a discrepancy in rule enforcement. "Signup isn't required on that site, so it's OK if it asks for email, even though asking for email isn't allowed under any circumstances. It's a '1st party site' (???) so it's OK if it asks for email, even though asking for email isn't allowed under any circumstances."

You've contradicted yourself multiple times in a vain effort to be right about something in which you have zero stake. Please stop.

You keep changing your story.

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@warslag wrote:

advertising is also not allowed on the forums.

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Here's a quote from the actual rules regarding "advertising":

• Advertise. For anything: pay-to-play gaming sites, products or items for sale, referral links or advert links/images in forum signatures, avatar posts, blogs, profiles, you name it! But feel free to link to free gaming fan sites and free-to-enter league sites.

My site falls under the category of "fan site" or "free-to-enter league site" which is in accordance with the rules. You see, I actually read the rules before making my appeal, so I would know what I was talking about. You know, as opposed to just making new, contradictory things up as I go along. I'm not selling anything. There aren't even ads on my site. There is no monetary incentive here. It is a site for people who play Apex Legends. This is a fan site.

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@warslag wrote:

If you're saying that your product works without requiring sign-up via email, then I expect the right thing to would be to ask a CM in a private message explaining how your product works for permission to make a post about it. However, that is not the way you explained your product in your original post.

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Literally the first thing I did before bumping this thread. The community manager did not respond to my message despite being active on the forums in the interim.

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@warslag wrote:

Also, linking a 1st party website (such as a stats site) is not the same as advertising a completely new and unknown product which requires an email sign-up.

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As I said, you keep changing your story. You keep inventing new, arbitrary reasons for a discrepancy in rule enforcement. "Signup isn't required on that site, so it's OK if it asks for email, even though asking for email isn't allowed under any circumstances. It's a '1st party site' (???) so it's OK if it asks for email, even though asking for email isn't allowed under any circumstances."

You've contradicted yourself multiple times in a vain effort to be right about something in which you have zero stake. Please stop.

@Eleo 

I don't have a story. I'm simply trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability. Your story, however, is that you have an "LFG tool" which you would like to promote in a post which has been censored by a CM. Now you're calling it a "fan-site". Presumably, after having finally looked-up the rules. Now that's a change of story.

I cannot really comment on your personal communications with the CM, although, I know they are very busy but always strive to answer as quickly as possible within their remit. It's really none of my business though, as I'm only a forum poster trying to give answers.

I found this last part to be a contortion of what I have said: "Signup isn't required on that site, so it's OK if it asks for email, even though asking for email isn't allowed under any circumstances. It's a '1st party site' (???) so it's OK if it asks for email, even though asking for email isn't allowed under any circumstances."

The information you can find on a stats website is publicly available. You can sign-up to stats websites if you want to but it isn't necessary to sign-up or provide your email for the website to work. Your "LFG tool" required an email sign-up in order to make it work and access the information. That's what the CM said they didn't like about your post. Because they are probably particularly wary of products being advertised on their forums which could possibly make forums users vulnerable by disclosing personal information such as email addresses. So they simply don't allow these sorts of things on the forums at all.