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Re: More than 70% of time I am being fried and one clipped.

@Eshshshss I do not need to upload videos to prove my point. Plenty on these very forums have watched me fry someone 40+ meters away with a 99 as well as any other gun. Just because some people have issues on mastering recoil does not remotely mean its not possible for others. If wanna see how good i shoot ask the players who play with me quite a bit here on the forums. 😉

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  • @E9ine_AC While it's all fun and games for the people who attained this skill, it still doesn't change the fact that this whole skill difference is inconceivably frustrating for everyone involved. Which is the major problem in the game.

    And while nothing speaks against being really good at a game, playing alongside or against someone who just needs to look at people for them to die is an experience only a tiny notch over being punched to death right after drop. There is a reason why people are requesting a proper matchmaking. It's very hard to believe how bad some new players are - a place I used to be at a long time ago - and how high I've gotten, and just how much higher it still gets. And then all 3 skill classes are paired in one big battlefield. Yeah, hard to guess who is going to win.

    This is why I'm saying that this game has a lot of issues to tackle. Like for example we have certain moves and maneuvers that require very specific and unconventional button presses to be done or maybe even a config change. So, if those moves aren't able to be done on a conventional (or easy) way, why are they kept in the game regardless? You know, other than wanting to cater towards this skill gap, I see no reason to keep things like wall jumps, bunny-hopping, super-jumping and whatnot. Either make it an official and easy-to-access part or fix it entirely. This in-between being reserved for highly skilled players only to further discourage people to keep going from learning this game isn't really doing this game any good.

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    @Peri_Longbow_plzAs for movement this is what sets apart players. Movement is the most important feature you can master in Apex Legends. This is something we work very hard on to master. Anyone can point a gun and shoot but can players outsmart an enemy team to kill them all is where movement comes into place. A lot of this advanced tech can be done with simple mouse key binds. As a lot of these advanced movement techs have been disabled from being altered in a cfg file. So us spending countless time in the firing range to master these type of movements expect some crazy movement. It is kind of like saying at a baseball game hey you know how to play you can not play because you know how to play. These are not broken these are players who spend a lot of time mastering it which sets apart very good players verse not so great players. \

    By the logic at hand though it means you would want to downgrade good players to cater to bad players. Verse the bad players hitting the firing range and better their gameplay to be able to match against them. Who is really at fault here though the players who spend a lot of time mastering things or the players who don't even try and want to destroy movement because they are unable to do it?

  • @E9ine_AC Describe some of these advanced techinques in regard to key binds.........
    If its reassigning keys then fine BUT as far as im concerned the second people set up a keybind to perform more than one action then you are cheating. Regardless of what it is you are using a macro to gain an advantage.
    Ive had a similar argument with someone regarding throwing nades in PUBG, he had a keybind set to switch to nade, cook, throw and switch back to primary and he claimed that wasnt cheating......... i mean, surely any bind that performs multiple actions IS cheating.
  • @E9ine_AC Your comparison for the baseball game is massively lacking the core point I'm making. If I play baseball, I'm not going to play against the world champions if I'm merely a beginner or novice at the game. I'm more or less going to be paired up with similarly skilled players. Whilst in Apex Legends I'm more often than not being paired against people who obviously have a diamond trail or predator badge.

    The most that will happen in some of the examples like Baseball, table tennis or football (three sports I have played) is that you train with more experienced people because teachers have to be better at something to teach. But in terms of playing against, my hobby football team isn't going to play against the world championship winners of the previous years.

    And just to prevent it: No, actual War isn't a comparison either because I'm not participating in actual war for fun and enjoyment, and if someone does so then he should get checked.

    Especially in games like Apex Legends you want to make sure either one of two things. You either pair similarly skilled players or you 'adjust' your game in such a way that the skill difference can't be that high. When I started out in FPS games, my most redeeming tactic was to simply be the first one shooting by hiding in corners and buildings. Eventually I upgraded that to reflexes and peeking and when I specialized in sniping, my most remarkable skill in various games was the accuracy with snipers. And not saying I'm not hitting my sniper shots in Apex Legends - I hit them very well - but each and every sniper shot that is not a Kraber is unrewarding.

    As of right now, Apex Legends is fun to the professionals and frustrating to the casual players. And I see it many times in these forums or other forums, but the fact that casual players are being looked down on with disgust like they have no right to have fun is just showing where competitive games have ended up at, and why survival games and Action RPG's like MC and PoE are celebrating a comeback.

    Just because someone is a casual player doesn't mean they're unwilling to learn. Some of us are just unable and unwilling to even invest that time that other players invest. If I had that time available, I wouldn't have accumulated 'only' 900 hours in Apex Legends over the past 1,5 - 2 (?) years.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXLcxw6P4VI

    This is how i train my recoil control. It is a good tech and one of the main ones I use for the most precise shots possible. May not help some im sure but it may others this allows you to know you have full control of your gun. The key is do not let any targets fall. I do this with no attachments because i have a rule i follow if i can hit something with no attachments I can with them. This to me is the ultimate recoil control tech that the firing range can offer. As you get better just ease back try again. Excuse all my movement and such still mostly half asleep and was more for how i handle recoil. 

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    4 years ago
    @Peri_Longbow_plz So you want to nerf the players who have practiced thousands of hours to get to their skill level bc you don’t want to or can’t practice to potentially be able to do the same things they do? I’ve said it many times, why should a average player who hasn’t practiced thousands of hours win as much as someone who has practiced thousands of hours? What’s your address so I can send
    You a participation trophy?
  • @lightning_5o I don't want to do the same thing. I'm playing a shooter, not acrobatics simulator 2021 or Parcour mania.

    No one said an average player should win every time or every second time or whatever number you want to put out. But the average player doesn't want to fight against unnecessarily strong enemies every match. This is - I repeat - the reason why the matchmaking has been criticized for so, so, so, so, so many times and the same answer occurs from the same people every time. Though I think the real reason is because we're supposed to be fodder for the hounds. Unless I have a real good match like earlier today in which I actually feel like my bullets are hitting what they're supposed to hit, a good half of my matches end with someone wiping my entire squad singlehandedly, which in turn makes me ask myself what this guy is doing in my lobby.

    Believe it or not but a lot of games intentionally introduce as little skill requirement as possible so you practically make everyone a potential winner, rather than the obvious person or natural selection. Those kinds of mechanics have never done a game any good.
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    4 years ago

    @Peri_Longbow_plz

    I hear you, but the reality is:

    -Stricter Matchmaking equalizes results (wins) across all skill levels. This is why some people hate strict sbmm— it seeks equal outcomes; this negates the entire point of being competent. I agree ranked should play like this— not pubs.

    Unfortunately, I know PLENTY of pro SBMM people who say exactly this “all players deserve to win at the same rates”. Instead of insulting these people, I like to have an actual discussion with them. I admit that most of these people tend to be below average (at Apex), but it’s important to respect their opinion (even if I TOTALLY disagree with it). 

    The bottom line: this gaming generation is different. A lot of people (not you) want the same results as people who have invested time in developing competence in an activity. My views are a bit dated.

    I feel like as a Masters  player I should win more (overall) than players who are average. I don’t. I play Masters and Preds all day and win LESS than average (less than 5%). Even if you told me that I should only play my doppelgänger (thus netting me a 5% winrate)— I would feel like this is pointless. What is the point of being above average if we’re all netting the same results (in pubs)?

    Seriously, which would you choose:

    A) Stress yourself to improve so you can win more consistently, only to win 5% of games 

    or 

    B) Be average and win 5% of games, while avoiding the stress of high ELO lobbies

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    4 years ago

    @E9ine_ACI still don't get why people like you just don't dedicate 10? min of your time to just record a video - given you are frying people on a constant basis meaning you will not need to spend numerous hours getting THE GAME and then also editing the video so it looks like a frag movie? Instead, you just keep spending time "talking" here which really proves nothing.

    I could as well just post - hey today I woke up and guess what I have no problems with Predators, they are all legit, I can do the same thing (omitting the fact that I just got hacks or something like that)...I hope you understand my point here.

    I am not attacking you or any other "pro", I just want to see those games, skills in action and not through people who earn money by posting those videos like the ones mentioned before in the conversation, given people's greed and wish to be better fairly soon gets them to "breaking the system" side especially if money is involved.

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    4 years ago
    @E9ine_AC thanks for this vid, this is doable, I agree. Yet we are talking in game on moving targets.

    I can fry standing bots in firing range from 60+ meters with 301 and even flatline, R99 maybe closer to 40, yet in game it is totally different story.
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    4 years ago
    @lightning_5o I think the point here was that:

    a) not pair advanced players who have invested time in training with people who are not e.g. like now there is a HUGE gap from Plat to Diamond -> P1 can't be compared with D4, like at all. And people say that from D3 level "fun" is reduced even more so.

    b) don't create an environment where "rich get richer" so to say
    e.g. that people can edit cfg files, yet there are no open-source info on which commands do what and how to edit them in the first place, things like pairing PC with controller and fool it to think you are playing on controller while you are on M&K to get aim-assist, various tricks you can do with AMD and NVIDIA software for graphics cards, macros, scripts etc.
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    4 years ago

    @Axs5626Sxa5001in my opinion your "I need to win more" equals situation where you train like a pro, but play vs pros, amateurs and newbies who don't train.

    Latter should in my opinion be how publics work + assuming that you have a set team, because time comes when 1 pro still can get * whooped by 3 amateurs, because they outnumber him/her or just have better avarage team skill level.

    As for the ranked, that's in my opinion a comparison between sports leagues. Meaning you don't train, so you play vs newbs, you train like amateur -> certain league/rank for you, you train like a pro = you play at the highest level.

    From real life you can see paralels of what you are saying = win more as a pro = that's what usually happens in NBA, strongest team wins.

    From what makes the game more interesting, you can view more towards NHL, where each team usually has close to 50/50 chance most of the time. Or at least it feels like it, games are more close than say when in Apex a P1 / D4 plays vs Masters/Preds or even D3-D1 people.

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    @Eshshshss My video is more to help train aim with the best recoil control one can do. Same techs i use every day before hitting pubs. hitting moving targets is easy. For some it may not be but for me its no different then someone standing still minus they are running forward or backward or a little strafe. Takes practice is all. Preds are no different than regular players. We can be killed we are not gods. Notice how preds tend to only 3 stack? Because well it wasnt their skill that took them to pred ranks instead it was the team effort that got them to pred. There are very few players who can actually go solo to this rank. So out of all the preds in the game the true ones to worry about are those like Timmy or Shiv and such who can solo to those ranks with their eyes closed. Most us others though? While i made it to pred mostly solo i still call myself a bot i have my good and bad days. Just as all others do.
  • @E9ine_AC But this is exactly the problem. From what you say, your skill level is inconceivably high, and yet there are massively better players. And I have seen myself in pubs already where someone racked up a massive amount of kills seemingly casually, and when you encounter them you can tell why because they don't miss a single shot while strafing frantically.

    I personally play pubs and casual matches so I don't even have to sweat while playing, but yet it seems like the game wants me to become a sweat because it keeps pairing me with better players, very rarely with normal players.
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    4 years ago
    @Peri_Longbow_plz The matchmaking in this game is completely busted. You’re probably a above average player. Unfortunately for you that’s enough to put you up against the best of the best. I understand the frustration somewhat, my girlfriend is a slightly above average player and we can’t play the game together bc my pub lobbies are maybe slightly less hard than my masters/pred lobbies. They’re in all reality practically the same. I don’t know what the solution is, they’re going to cater towards the below average players bc they make up most of the fan base.
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    @Peri_Longbow_plz I can agree on the SBMM in pubs could use some work. There really is no casual mode in Apex Legends for me at this time. All modes seem to be put on try-hard pants and get to the grind. There are times I just want to relax sit back and just play. But needing to full-on strategize every game mode gets tiresome. There just is nothing in place for relaxing game play.
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    4 years ago
    @E9ine_AC, as I said thanks for the video yet this comment, is still a deviation from the main question here - how the hell people can beam others on a frequent basis on all ranks on almost all distances up to 100 (or even more) meters, yet there are no videos about it.

    Ranks, team effort etc. sure but that's not the topic here.

    Here we talk how can people like you say you are clean yet at the same time you can beam people on regular basis, yet you are questioning people like Shiv or Timmy...something just does not add up.

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