@IdleHandsNo1Apex doesn’t use SBMM, it uses EBMM. Check out this vid: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dzxkmcs8ME
I much rather have SBMM than EBMM, but they think it’s a better way to retain players, even tho EBMM results in unhappy players.
@swift07I call it PBMM: Performance based matchmaking. And I’m fairly certain it works on a ladder system.
The issue is: Going up the ladder is super easy (just one game can put you in a lobby where 80-90% of the players are Diamond to Pred). But going back down the ladder takes much longer and requires really poor performances (depending on the account, it can take up to 30 matches with no damage and no top 5 placements to get knocked down into easier lobbies). THIS is a huge issue.
It’s a horrible system for a non-ranked mode.
I wonder how the MM engine deals with me. I probably confuse it alot, as I am probably #1 most leaving player EU. 🤭 I even left a Gun Run when we were leading 23-16-14-13 because some crouch spam kid ****** me off.
@Unitee01 Each has it's own experience of this, of course, but here's sill room for progression. I'm an average player and still get at least 2 wins on a daily basis and quite a number of kills. As with the smurfs, I rather take upon me to beat them, which happens 50% of the time, rather than give them the satisfaction of me getting pissed about it. Try EU servers.
To clarify, i love the game itself (10 Mio Dmg should say a lot). the movement and general mechanics are great, gfx and sound/music have appeal, maps are mostly very good, all ingredients for a Top AAA Title. But the Matchmaking System ...
@swift07that video tells me a lot about the how the devs see the game, they clearly dont understand that somebody coming back over and over again isnt necessarily enjoying the game, but hopes that one of the 100 matches he tries is actually good and enjoyable (im talking not about wins, only about games that kinda feels satisfying), big difference !
But the plain numbers of their statistics dont include whats driving the player to stay in the game.
From that statement it sounds like they want all to have a good time, but in fact they are tilting a lot of players.
Lower skilled players complain about sweaty lobbies and higher skilled players complain about teammates that arent up for the task.
Either way a very bad and toxic combination that only amplifies over time.
I get that they might act only in good faith ... but you all know whats the opposite of good : good intentions !
Being tight lipped about the System only fuels speculations and the given excuse that if they would declassify their system, people would try to "game" it, only tells me that the system has some major flaws.
Elo, Glicko ect. are all pretty much transparent and proven over a long period of time and it would be easy to spot if smb. would try to gain an advantage due to the transparency.
They also take those infamous EA patents as a shield, saying its not THAT system to silence everyone that mentions engagemend based matchmaking, but in fact they even tell it to your face that they use a system that is engagement optimized.
Its just not the EA one but their own implementation (otherwise they would need to pay EA big dollars, not the other way around ...).
I started to complain about this end 2020 and i forecasted a (excrement)show in the near future, ok took a while but now its cooking !
If they really want to make money with Apex till 2027, they have to act now and fast.
Otherwise it will just pile up, people get more angry and leave EA and Respawn Games for good on burned soil, only the lack of competing games on a similar lvl makes me still play Apex (sry to say that, but every other BR is inferior when it comes to the plain game mechanics)
Hell, even Top YTers now encourage people not to play/pay to bring change, bcs the Accounting only understands one language : The Almighty $$$.
And the Accounting sets the tone wether devs are allowed to work on the title and what should be done or not.
You can see that by the complaints about the cosmetics, they bring the cash. Somethings wrong with the cashcow, it gets fixed immediately, somethings wrong with the netcode/servers/matchmaking ... put it on the backburner until it adds up and causes the cashcow to take a hit.
They really need to talk with the main audience and not those ImperialHals, Timmys, you name it.
We saw it with other games (Diabotical), Devs listened mainly to pro players during the closed beta (which itself was a huge blast, great time enjoyed it a lot) changed things accordingly and lost most of the casuals weeks after release, now the games is pretty much dead.
@Axs5626Sxa5001 To make it simple, people will play a game if it is fun, even if they lose a lot.
Nobody wants to lose every time, but there are plenty of games in game history where people lose a whole ton, but keep on playing because they had a good time. Apex Legends is for sure not one of those games to have such a retention, not in BR anyway.
The illusion of BR, though, is that you did something even if you didn't win. Which is okay if you like place 10th or better every now and then. It's the ranked system which shows just how flawed that can be, though, where if you don't place top 5 every game, you aren't going far.
So, I can point that obvious point about a game being fun to every dev in existence. But in the end, if it's a Respawn dev, they don't know where their money is coming from, ignore me or anyone who is not a pro, and listen to the pro players...which is about as knuckleheaded a thing you can do since all those people are the super low minority who win a lot, and would have fun with this game no matter how bad it got, as long as they could have a day job doing it. Hit that viewership in the junk and you'll find out how fast your pros leave. Hint: Overwatch.
@Axs5626Sxa5001 wrote:
The devs themselves said they don’t want players winning too much or losing too much.
So, winning all of 3 matches, total, this season, is somehow not "winning too much or losing too much?"
