Re: Request to upgrade the servers 🙏

@DoYaSeeMe   people are asking for server tickrate not client side - the server tick rate is at 20HZ. That the client side batches updates towards server means that if someone has packet drop - they will be clipping (basically teleporting every update) that is not great "netcode" - basically just fancy words that its decent - but it could be improved. Also you are wrong about cloud solutions, sizing that part is the easy thing - changing the code for the network is the hard part. Many companys can afford a top end cloud (I´m speaking from experience working in the IT industry, security - banking and telecom) the gaming industry is making a hell of a lot money during the past years, this is just a bad excuse...

To the OP, do like me - stop investing money into this game until they start prioritizing towards the consumer side.

Would changing the server tick rate magically resolve all our issues - no, the big and painful work is updating the netcode to support it/gain the benefits. And EA does not see that as a worthy investment, however they invest money into "cross platform" so yeah they wont be having any of my hard worked money anytime soon. What they dont realize is that once we get cross platform, its going to be aim assist vs aimbot - and most people will leave, since why bother constantly playing against an A.I aim. Most "predators" I run into on PC are playing on controller, gee I wonder why.

They need to acknowledge that aim assist on PC is broken and resolve it, they need to acknowledge that the netcode is not perfect in this game (you know people teleporting every second, you still get hit after taking cover behind a wall). Whenever they update the server rate or not, the netcode is far from being perfect. And whoever claims that has never played against someone that has packet drop - and how tilting it is when people teleport randomly. They need to acknowledge that EAC was probably not the best way to combat cheaters and put more pressure on EAC, combating cheaters should be done similarly, as such, in Valorant (for one, its anti cheat is 10 times more sophisticated than EAC, it also immediately bans - and not waits for people to climb to predator with aimbots and then ban them in waves - when the harm has already been made)..

Knowing big companies, they will read this and laugh that we - the peasants dare to tell them what they need to acknowledge (that's their mentality).

I do however applaud Respawn Entertainment for the work they have done, I just feel sorry for them - cant be easy when you have both hands tied. You guys made an awesome game.

@DoYaSeeMethat's not what happens in apex today, the teleporting during packet loss is updaded what it seems like every 1 second - how is that a better simulation (there are better netcoded games that handle this in many other ways).

Teleporting could be reduced in incretels if the server ticket was higher and it had a better netcode.

Increasing say cores in the nodes within the cloud is scaling the hardware. Scaling does not mean simply adding additional virtual clouds - or adding more nodes, it can mean upping the cores/memory in each node. What is called Vertical scaling, I think you are thinking of Horizontal scaling. Vertical scaling in a cloud is quite easy, since servers are already virtual. You basically change one parameter during boot up / deployment server that tells the virtual server how much "Juice" it should use.

Meaning that having a "top of the line cloud" is something complex, is not true (I know you never claimed it was) - and many companies can afford the very decent setups / not everyone can afford googles setup - but that is an entire different monster. But claiming that an company like EA cant afford a cloud to support Apex´s demands if it went 60hz on its servers is simply not true - and thats not the issue for them at all, thats within the netcode revamp that it would require. I havent seen the code base /netcode, but my guestimate is that the work either to be 300-500++h (thats why EA wont ever finance it). Why I stated that the cloud itself probably aint the problem here, even if cores/memory was an issue - it can be mounted/added (and for a company the size of EA, that should not be an issue at all).

You can find all the excuses in the world, the servers are terrible.Way older games have way better servers.

There is million problem with their servers, so they need to fix this.

@NitromethaneAPIt's not like 1-2 packets get lost when congestion happens. There are many seconds of timeout and a lot of packets delayed or lost. If you get a lot of teleporting in your games, that means there's a serious problem on the network, either your connection to the match server is going through many unstable hops or you're on a wireless connection.

Most of you people who blame the netcode don't usually realize that a lot of games actually have similar, almost identic netcode. The difference is in the mechanics used in the game. The issues caused by network problems are usually worse game when there are more complex physics, faster movement, more types of characters, items and interactions, more players, larger map, bullet drop and travel etc.. That's why comparing Apex with most of the other shooters is redundant.

@DoYaSeeMe  I am not talking about my connection, but people who have packet loss - and they all showcase the same in-game behaviour (that they teleport roughly every 1 second, the interval of course is worst or better in some cases, but the underlying problem here is teleportation)

Netcode in games differ a lot, the framework is more or same (this differ from game engine). The more complexity within a game, the more complexity within the net coding part. I´ve looked at many games that have quite different ways to solve problems (in detail). I can tell you that no they are not identical. What ever genuis way you com up with to combat it, the bottleneck will always be on the server side being 20Hz (other than the limitations in the game engine itself). And as you write your self, a game like Apex running on 20Hz server side - would be a bad decision, due to its nature of being fast pasted.

@GRiPSViGiL Funny you say that...I legit said this nearly word for word last night to my duo after being shot around corners constantly over the course of 3 games.

I kept getting knocked and he was "like how the F did they hit you?"

Simples, they play on connection equivalent to dial up...therefore they win. XD

Whoever thinks servers are okay and doesn`t need to be fixed/upgraded/new servers need a serious help or we are playing different games.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/678288278

02:32:30, watch how ShivFPS get killed through the wall with curved bullets ....

He was mad at the stream ...

Yeah, yeah of course the problem was the ShivFPS connection, HUD or whatever you can think of, its not the server, no, no, the servers are perfect .....

Just a question, then why most of the top players in the past and currently are hard complaining about it, and all of them talk about the s**** tick speed of the server and the stupid delay/lags and connection problems?

Shroud openly was talking about that, Dizzy, Aceu have complaining too, ShivFPS, and a lot of other top streamers and pro players as well.

I never see ShivFPS have problem with any other games he play, like Valorant, Warzone and that new BR game, Hyper Scape or whatever the name is.

I never ever experience problem in any games i have played online, like Dota, World of Warcraft, Star Wars The Old Republic, CS:GO, Warcraft, Warzone and so on.

But suddenly i have tons of problems with Apex Legends, and yeah, yeah again, its not the servers, its me, my connection/computer is the problem. Tho i don`t have problem with any other games, but just in here.

You can blindly continue to defend this, but no one believe you, simply because the problem is obvious - the servers.

With all due respect the servers are garbage.

Well, well as i said it - excuses.

You are making Apex Legends the most complex game in the world, which is b.c. with all due respect. :D It has this, but this game doesn`t have this, but this have this, exactly - excuses.

Servers are garbage, no matter how hard you try.