Re: Valkyrie is broken and you know it

@hayhor That doesn't mean she's not broke.  That can mean those other characters are broke too.

In fact, I'd say the top 5 really show who Respawn is super favoring and how much they have taken a massive dump on Defensive characters.  You have to have just been born to not know that mobility, height, and knowing where people are, are the most important things you can have for a BR/Shooter short of an aimbot.  So when you go make characters that move faster and are harder to hit, get height, and know where you are, you're completely off your rocker for thinking you don't have to mega buff your characters.

ESPECIALLY if your character's ability helps a team.

It's disappointing, really, how Respawn does things.  Like someone said, I'm all for buffing the bottom tier, but you have to improve half the characters in this game to even matter, or, you know, you can nerf a few.

Wraith is a perfect example not that Valkyrie isn't broke, but how broke a mobility character is.  It took way, way too long to nerf her to the point that she is in range of the other characters and she is still a major pick because that is how much her phase matters.  

Pathfinder sucks for number of abilities.  It's just that zip line is so good in this game, even with a long cooldown, it's fantastic.  It moves you the fastest in one moment in the game.  Octane is just a pain in the rear end, and was my most hated character until Seer showed up.

Respawn has done a bad job at balance, I think it's pretty clear.  But this really is about Valkyrie, and frankly, she's quite up there in picks and needs to be reeled in.  No stun, and no reveal, remove them.

@KelRiever did you try her above gold on the new ranked map after the animation cancel Nerf? The animation cancel Nerf really took away some of her omph (idd say the animation cancel wa proper broken on her), so she's not as dominating as an assaulter as last season but she can be very elusive in some situations. Take a better look at her statistics she's dropping now and had a small climb with the giveaway and is back to droppin

Now if you use her passive you cannot cancel the stupid salute like you could before and you risk getting killed before you can draw your weapon even if it's a burst. She's very good gold and down but try her above and you'll see she's not as good as you claim anymore, previous season she was for sure an S legend now I'm not sure if she's A or S. I'm not saying she's bad I'm just saying the resent Nerf she got took away much of her power. On the current ranked map her ult isn't as powerful as s11 since the map is much tighter and it's easier to punish by a good team in most areas, but ofc in some areas it's really good when you are able to use it. The ult will be more powerful best split if we get kings canyon.

@KelRiever Why are you even surprised mobility legends are the most picked ones? Do you really expect people to play passive in pubs? Or to pick Wattson or Rampart and go inside a house and wait until last zone? People wants to chill and have fun joining multiple fights in pubs, and mobility legends are the best way to do it. Surprising yeah? 

And it's time to stop using pick rates as a reference to their strenght (with exceptions of course). Crypto is one of the less used legends in the game but it doesn't mean he's bad, actually he's pretty strong. Same goes for Gibby or Loba.

Oh and by the way, using Wraith's phase correctly is not that easy, i've seen lots of people use it not efficiently.

I do agree that some defensive legends need good buffs and that Respawn has made some big mistakes but this doesn't mean Valk or movement legends are op.

@Cro I disagree with you less than I think you might imagine.  Normally, true, you cannot necessarily go by pick rates but in this case you can.

And yes, you're sort of saying what I am in a different way, with some disagreements.  Mobility characters are always going to be biased until something else sinks in.  But Respawn, knowing that, doesn't balance for that.  And that's really the problem.

There's a difference between popular picks because they are mobility characters and popular picks because they are just outclassing the rest, and much better.  We're in the latter part.  Now, I would say Gibby is no, not strong.  No character is useless and a good Gibby (or anything) character can prevail.  But you for sure are rolling rocks uphill with him.  Crypto...I'd say not.  Namely because, again, you really need a team to work well with him (part of the low pick rate, tho, for sure is all characters who work better as a team tend to be ignored), but I'll give you an 'you got me interested.'

The point is about Valkyrie though, and frankly, she is OP because she does so much.  Mind you, again, I love her, but she's still OP.  She needs nerfing, and/or a lot of other characters need more buffs.  Including Gibby and Octane (as a quick aside, why do Valks tac missiles do 25 damage and Gib's ULTIMATE does only 40?  You cannot justify the wider area of damage when you have a 4.5 minute charge time. And both stun :P )

I think you got to the root of it.  Her tactical needs to be nerfed.  Shouldn't stun, and shouldn't do so much damage, should be 10 per missile.  Getting hit is a death sentence, unacceptable for a tactical.

@Bolted_FaultOnly people that panic and try to run from cover die from valks tactical when they are stunned and shot. When I played caustic I never died from that tactical unless I panicked.

Are you serious, her tactical is not powerful for the damage, its minimal if I get hit by her tactical I dont really care outside of getting out of the stun, I would prob not even care if they removed the damage really, I only use it for the stun. And comparing this to gibbys ult is just hilarious, if he hits you and you cant get away youre dead, its that simple. And as I said earlier its not really that powerful in higher ranked but yes its powerful in low ranked and pubs as most people have no clue how to counter her and panic like @hayhor refers to in his posts.

@hayhorYeah I know, they could have stood her upright like a normal human being (instead of running around like a troll) and fixed her hitbox and that would have been plenty, instead of running her into the ground.

I just feel like the Valk situation, like the Gibby situation was, in terms of being vocal, was too little too late vs Wraith. Are you kidding me, if your squad is losing she can just fly away, with all of you? That is rediculous and you know it. Anyway, it's pointless now as it seems all new characters are breaking rules these days so whatever, the next one will probably be invisible so...

I see her on nearly every ranked team.

@Axs5626Sxa5001I've been waiting ages for the gibby nerf due to the same thing. You never know what they are going to do. The easy nerf on valk is the ultimate timer. It feels like I have it all the time.

@pandareno1999They’re really cautious with the legend balances (even guns) since JayBiebs took over but at the same time I don’t want to go back to the DZK seasons where he would implement buffs/nerfs just for the sake of changing something.

On the topic. Am I the only one who thinks that the Valk tactical is a non problem and then it’s the ult cooldown and passive that needs nerfs (didn’t read the whole thread since there’s a lot of out of topic arguments)? Valk is THE LEGEND to use in storm point though.

Valk's passive needs to be her tactical. How can flying around constantly be a passive? Again, for comparison, let me remind you that Lifeline was not allowed to have a tiny shield for her passive... but other legends, holy ****! Every time I shoot at a Valk, she insta flies and fire missiles straight at me. Hello? It's even dumber than Gibby at this point.

I agree lifeline needs a half shield or something right now but her original shield was not small 😉, I feel she lost her omph when they removed it, but the shield you got originally was op as hekk, way more then valk and gibby put together. You could just let a guy keep dying in front of you and you was immortal, it was insane. But yes if you got a res shield that is half size so you had to crouch and look down not to get hit it would perhaps be cool still. Actually just removing the res-cooldown would make her much more powerful again and probably up to 8%ish pickrates again.

When it comes to valks tactical, I cant remember the last time I was hit by it - her pickrate is also dropping still (just checkapexlegendstatus if you see masters/preds shes down to #6 for instance while still at #4 for bronze rank), I do think next split she might get a bit more popular again since her ultimate is a bit more usable there, but on stormpoint when that one comes she will for sure be back to her old glorious pickrates again.

Valks tactical was insanely powerful in the right hands pre animation cancel fix, because you could fly in stun, rotate, anim cancel and one-clip from the air before the other person could turn around in the slow. You cant do that any more, its been patched. Now the tactical is more of a suppress for rotation because people dont want to get caught in the slow, or scare for people who is scared of it.

At higher matchmaking when you play valk you dont fly that much because you get beamed in the air, and you get insta-pushed because it makes a lot of noise, its extremely efficient in low lobbies though. Currently what she is good at is being elusive in fights, so using her bursts to get away to pop a cell, but for hands on attack you need to play her as other legends, she is good as a flanker since she can reposition very fast in a lazily like manner while exploiting the less then optimal sound in Apex (however if people got proper headsets they know where she is), revenant is arguably better at this because his insane silentmode climbing ability.

In general a lot of Apexes issues that people are complaining about would go away if they fix sound, because some of the legends are balanced around this, how noisy they are. Revenant would get a proper buff if they fixed this for instance. I would like to see a change to sound where it gets visual. For instance if people make sound that is ment to be heard it would pop an aprox circle on the minimap with varying intensity after how loud much like the care packages to give an aprox idea where the sound comes from. This would help people with crappy sound systems and that odd sound drop you get once in a while in the game that kills you. This would also balance out most complaints about Valkyrie and other noisy legends that feels stupid powerful right now because people cant really spot them. It would also give a buff to revenant because he would get the proper stealth treatment he is supposed to have but fails at atm.

I think I never died with lifeline when I had a res situation going on, thats how I got my 3 team wipe badge on PS4, I just facetanked everything, my team cycled through reses and died to nade damage while I just kept droning through. She was insanely op, and in arena if she had that shied she would be 100% pickrate, if you dont pick her you loose kinda legend.

I think you might need to play valkyrie a bit to learn how to counter her, she dont have perma flying for one, its very easy to counter her, in some places she can be hard to chase with a non movement legend, octane, pathfinder, rev and so on has no issues chasing her if they can spot where she goes or has a $500 headset with proper sound enhancements. I am in no way conserned about any valk these days, she was a force a couple of months ago pre anim cancel fix. From what you say you refering to her pre fix, now she cant fly and beam, she got a proper cooldown on her flying to wield that cant be canceled anymore to my knowledge. Atleast shes very easy to counter for me.

Take a look at this: https://apexlegendsstatus.com/game-stats/legends-pick-rates/Masterpred

Its showing a clear trend on high level 😉 and is a proper picture of whats going on right now, she is strill strong buf not as strong as many other legends, especially on the current maps. And I think currently she is in a good spot when it comes to balancing, some legends might still need tuning to get up there yes, for instance lifeline, pls remove cooldown after res, that would make so much of a difference and open up more play options for her. Still maps and ranked rules will change pickrate, but I think when everything balance well, you will see top 5 change more between maps still wrath will stick, same with pathfinder and octane, their general kit is way to versatile as prime breacher/initiator tools compared to other legends.

Why do people, when they bring up lifeline talk about her res shield as the needed buff. A passive shouldnt be dependent on teammates going down. Her passive should be auto health regen. Yes I know Octane has that but his depends on stim. And her ultimate should be a loot crate she puts down instantly. It would contain the same stuff as current care packages but it wouldn't be a beacon calling in enemies. It could give off a small noise and visual like Lobas ult.

I actually think if they remove the res cooldown thing lifeline will get a whole different profile, and she does not need much but there is something missing with her, and as I said earlier I think taking it small, try remove the res cooldown and see what does to her in the first place. Reason why the res shield pops up is because it was insanely op but people liked it if they played her and I do not think that is good way back for her, shes just gona hit a new nerftrain if they do.

@ZkepzAgain, nice. If I died, have no idea. How many times have I killed or re-downed the revived? Countless of times.
Don't care about how BR balancing work in Arenas. Have seperate balancing for the 50 people actively playing Arenas then. Shouldn't influence the main game.

I have no idea what she can't or can do. I get missiled and she flies away. Insta! Like it's an automated process by the game when she gets shot at.

@hayhorAuto health regen? Sounds like another nerf. She's already got her drone. Why would you need two health regen abilities? Give me shield regen as a passive then, something useful.