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  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @VdstrkEhh ive watched them on stream complain. I dont need a second hand source post to see exactly what they say. I watch a lot of them. I see them complain when they decide to. So yes a lot biggest players have expressed dislikes of aim assist inside our lobbies. Its not worth trying to argue about as we have different opinions as you go by washington post i go by watch the actual streamers listen to them rage on how broke AA is.Your post has zero to do with Apex Legends top players expressing dislikes of aim assist. This post is over all aim assist in fps games. Can not even be used as examples or evidence of top players not disliking aim assist. 

    but i guess this post proves that Imperial Hal - Shivfps - Lulu - Lou - Stormen - Shuk20 - Sapppynuts - Thesoran - are wrong? The ones i name either have the most viewers in apex legends. Or they sport 75k + kills on legends and have knowledge and experience in the game to know what they speak of. I can keep listing names but as you can see just these are enough to see and understand. 

  • BaldWraithSimp's avatar
    BaldWraithSimp
    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk Does not really say anything new, MnK players have advantage in mid-range while controllers are strong in close range, also some weapons are better depending on input method.

    One advantage doesn't necessarily equate to someone else having another form of advantage. That's why I suggest make lobbies based on input method and leave this debate behind.
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago

    @E9ine_AC

    Eh, I think you might have missed the part about the self serving bias?
    Sure losing to a player one thinks of "less" tends to frustrate.

    The article also goes to the core of the issue, and cites "inclusion" as a reason to allow cross play.

    I do not even notice if a player is using a controller or not... why would I bother? If I win the fight fine, if I lose, most likely I had a bad position.

    And all the top players you mentioned are top regardless of the fact that they play against Aim Assisted players. To me that speaks volumes.

  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @BaldWraithSimp

    Apex has gone the Inclusive way, rather than the full on competitive. And most likely for good reasons.
    That is why we have mixed lobbies.
  • BaldWraithSimp's avatar
    BaldWraithSimp
    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk It's one way inclusive. Console lobbies don't have PC players, so if you truly cared about inclusivity you would mix anyone and everyone.

    Mix them all and see the chaos ensue 😈
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC

    When I get deleted in .5 seconds, I say to myself, "Wooow" that guy is great! why I was not on his team?"
    I then press return to lobby, and then Ready.
    Next match.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk With the amount of games some of us have played we can easily tell if we have died to pc user or console user or cheater. What EA needs to do is start listening to players who make this game their job. I am a no one with a ton of games i dont expect them to listen to me ever. But when your top streamers and top kill players express worry of this concern then maybe it should be looked at from all angels.
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @BaldWraithSimp

    I goes both ways. Probably there are more players on console to allow for console only lobbies than on PC. Or, given that consoles are proprietary, may have some clauses for which a game needs to allow for console only lobbies. I do not know for sure.
    It would be nice to have exact numbers for the sake of argument. But I doubt "our" sake of this argument rise to the level of concern for Respawn work a second of consideration.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk Im also sick of console desync. Im sick of being shot around corners im sick of being shot through closed doors. The servers are just not optimized to grant smooth performance from all sides playing. We are hit with a 60% aim assist on top of them being out of sync and able to shoot magic bullets to bend around curves or through doors. We quite frankly are over it. If it does not become a opt out option next season im not even sure ill stick around.
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC
    A death is a death is a death.

    There are top players playing with controller on pc. Why would Respawn wanna split some of the pro teams, and the playerbase because some think AA is broken?
    You mentioned Imperial Hal complaining about controller. That is self serving bias fully blown. While he complains about controller players, he plays with one, i.e. snip3down.
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC

    There are issues in the game for sure. I completely agree with you. I personally believe that MM is one of those issues.
    That aside, it is the direction that Respawn has taken when adding crossplay, instead IMO of just letting maybe Apex die on PC.
    What I think is killing games on pc is cheating. Again a personal view, when consoles taunt "a cheat free environment".
  • BaldWraithSimp's avatar
    BaldWraithSimp
    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk But PC allows both input method, so why doesn't Apex on console allows players to use MnK? Fortnite does it. Inclusivity takes a backseat when it concerns MnK players.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk Why would they wanna split up pro players? Because this was never once a problem. They introduced cross-play gave us the option to opt out. They seen a ton of us didnt want to play with them and i suppose just removed our options for it. So every pro you see was here long before cross-play came to apex legends. Since the day they removed our opt out button we have complained. We have every right to complain. They are like LTM game modes forcing us to play with console just as everyone complains about forced LTM games how is this remotely different? We are being forced to play against or with what we do not wish to, I dont care about snipedown or anything he says he is a controller user. Give me a PC user who does not have a problem with aim assist who has well known name. Here is imperial hal view on aim assist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XSwLn9J0lQ
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @VdstrkI would also like to mention there is a vast of a difference using controller on console verse pc controller users. We never complained about pc controller users. We complain about desyncing 60% aim assist console users inside our lobbies. While pc platform controller users only see 40% aim assist. This is quite a gap from the 2. One is tollerable. Second is rage worthy. Im not sure how many posts have to be made before they finally listen as tons on these forums have highly requested the opt out button.

    Also console users can use same cheats at pc user. Its not as easy but it can be done and is being done. Darth can attest as he has had a few banned reporting them inside console lobbies for blatant aim bot and such. 

  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC

    I do not think it is a problem at all. Input is on preference. Could it need balance? maybe.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk I just wanna see these consoles users who say AA is not needed to have it removed. I wanna see their aim without it since they claim they dont need it. I wanna watch them swiss cheese the air around me.
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago

    @E9ine_AC

    Consoles also run at low FPS.

    No. Console users can run some scripts at most through cronus. They cannot run 3rd party unsigned software, and be online at the same time.

    What gives the impression of aimbotting on console is cronus exploiting aim assist mechanics.

  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC

    They definitely need aim assist. There is no question about it in my opinion.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk Yes the low fps is how they gain a major advantage over pc users. This causes them to desync making some impossible shots quite possible because of this. This is also a major concern for a lot pc people. Why should we have to face such a horrible setting on consoles end for them to be desynced and hit shots around corners or through doors. I want a opt out option just as console has a method to not even join our lobbies. They get a choice we are forced to play with it as we are LTM games now.
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC

    LOL. Sorry if I laugh. But asserting that lower FPS gives an advantage is funny to me.
    I seldom get hit around corners. I experience much more "no hits" than the type of lag you describe. I would check your connection for that lag you say you experience.
    I will pay attention, but I have never seen a console player in any of my lobbies now that I think. It is so uncommon for me to see one.
    Why do you meet so many console players?
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @BaldWraithSimp Because they desync have you not ran into a building shut a door and still being shot? Thats because they are seeing something different on their monitors then we see us doing and being in cover. This is well known and nothing new.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk Because im in big boy lobbies with sweats. Thats how i see them. Trust me there are console users inside your lobby you are just not dying to them. I dont even care cross-play is here. My entire argument is I dont think it belongs most importantly inside our ranked lobbies. No one should have advantages over others.
  • Daze623's avatar
    Daze623
    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC wait even fps is a factor to that?! Bruh this is new to me. I initially thought that ping is the only factor.