Re: Why does the TOS not apply to content creaters and streamers

@E9ine_ACyeah I do understand that, but these are examples of streamers using the ingame voice or chat.

@E9ine_AC 

Indeed. If you see toxic behaviour in Apex, just use the in-game report tool. The tool is not only for hackers but also threats, racism and toxic behaviour.

@E9ine_AC  the ingame report for cheating does not even work, do you really think EA would ban a streamer with 10k views If I reported them in game when they breached the TOS?

Since I am seeing that happen on a daily basis, I would assume atleast one reporting them. And EA being EA, "well we will lose our free marketing, pass"

@NitromethaneAP 

The in-game report tool does work for cheating, even if they are competitive players or streamers. They are simply no exceptions. There is no: oh this person is hacking and is streaming so well guess that's fine.

If you see this happening "on a daily basis", please report it then.

As apparently you encounter cheaters every day, you could easily take the opportunity and record a video, right? Send it to Hideouts on Twitter. He manually bans cheaters.

@E9ine_AC  and I can assure you that it is not happening today, I can show you multiple videos of streamers using the ingame voice/chat and breaking the TOS multiple times - I will send that in the report and lets see if that streamer even gets a warning, deal?

Meanwhile if it was just a normal player, indeed they would get punished. Since EA has nothing to lose to enforce the TOS in that situation. Meaning the TOS only really applies to people who arent too famous for it to impact EA negatively - then indeed the TOS stands. Great company values.

@NitromethaneAPI have stated it twice. If that user is not reported by those in their party then the user has broke no rules. You will not be able to play white knight savior on this one. Only way rules can be broke is if they are actually reported for it. As someone with many big name friends who stream I can assure you they do get warnings / actions taken against them.

Streamers do not remotely get a out of jail free car. They are treated like normal people would be. Wtihout those in their party reporting them though there is nothing that can be done. TOS team also has a job to do and its not to govern twitch. Thats up to twitch. 

@E9ine_AC  so the person in their party has to report it for it to be breaking the TOS? I cant report it? What? Thats not how it works. If someone breaches the TOS and is not reported, and evidence is showned after - that user will and should be punished.

Streamers actually get a lot of free jail cards, the bigger you are - the bigger the benifits.

We can see on a daily basis that the TOS is being breached by some very popular streamers, yet nothing ever happens to them. And you are here to tell me I cant report them - only if im in the party and they are cursing me?

You can report players if you're not in their party.

It seems you care a lot about the consequences that cheaters/TOS breakers are getting, @NitromethaneAP 

The only way I know to get actual feedback on your report is to report it on Twitter to Hideouts.

Not only cheaters, but also racist people or other TOS breaking will be dealt with. See for yourself.

@DYSPROssium  so one guy got banned. Thats, great - what about the big streamers who breach the TOS on a daily basis - will they also get punished? Nope, they havent for more than a year.

@E9ine_AC  anyone can see when they are talking through the ingame voice and when they arent.

If its OK for them to use the ingame voice and calling people "*, * *". Then why is it not Ok for others to do the same?

Sounds to me like bad excuses. "But we didnt even know that there is a icon on the screen when you use the ingame voice" "But that is his act, he likes to throw tantrums" etc.

Yes @NitromethaneAP , that is one person that got banned.... because I linked 1 tweet lol. There are many more (just take a look on the linked twitter), and even more not-publicly.

Did you report those "big streamers" to Hideouts with clear proof that they are breaking the TOS every day?

I have the feeling you are very convinced that big streamers are untouchable, and it doesn't matter how much I and others argue otherwise.

I cannot say that you're true or not without seeing video proof. I'm not sure if you can share the video here, probably falls within the accusation rules.

Instead, if you're completely convinced that this is unacceptable and you have proof, you could choose to post it somewhere else. Maybe Reddit, Twitter, and see if others agree with you. I don't know the rules of those places though.

@DYSPROssium  I´ll try to report it and see what the result will be - I already know. I.E nothing.

@E9ine_ACI don't have a problem with Shiv or the way he conducts himself streaming and it's good to get it out anyway but he clearly broke the rules a fair few time when it comes to toxicity and such.. xD

The problem you have said is weird as you are implying that non-streamers are getting banned for breaking TOS for saying certain things. However, do you have an example of this? If you have an example of a non-streamer getting banned for non-TOS speech in-game chat talking please let us (community) know.