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Zergo0_007's avatar
7 years ago

Real talk about Macros, Gaming peripherals, False ban, and cheats TO DEVELOPERS

Hello guys!

This post is mainly addressed to game developers!

To start of I am programmer/developer on my own. I am a little bit familiar with anti-cheats, coding games etc.

If you search on forums, there is plenty of topics about people getting banned, as they claim for "no reason". If you get into details you will find out that, they were using some sort of gaming software (for e.g for mouse or keyboard).

Most of respectful companies who create gaming peripherals have their own software. Some of them are: logitech, a4tech, roccat, razer, corsair and many many more.

On all this softwares there is plenty of possibilities. You can adjust DPI, change device colors, create gaming profiles, assign single keys to mouse and create macros.

Now let's get into details, how macros works.

There are two main types of macro:

no recoil - just pulls your mouse down

rapidfire - clicks mouse faster than a player normally would

HOW TO STOP MACROS FROM YOUR GAME? It's really simple:

It has nothing to do with anti-cheat. Game coders should fix this problem within a few hours 😉

1. To prevent no recoil macros, just add little bit randomized recoil. The amount should be adjusted, so it won't affect players much, but "macros" will become useless.

As macro is just a basic script pulling down, it won't be able to control random recoil. But player's hand will be.

2. To prevent rapidfire macros, just insert/increase the minimum time between shots. Script won't be able to shoot faster than player.

It's that simple. There is no need in trying to block other companies unharmful softwares as well as try to ban this kind of "cheaters". If you are trying to do so, there will be a lot of CLEAN people who will receive bans without even using macros. Most of players use one of the above mices, and the majority of them uses it just for DPI, colors and simple 1-key blinds.

To kids who will be screaming in a second: Just to make it clear, macro don't make you fully "no recoil/no spread", if someone is shooting full auto from 200m with 99% accuracy, he is using a cheat program which injects into a game, not simple macro (and this person should be ofc. banned). Simple no recoil macros don't give any adventage over clean players (they only pull down automatically, so worse than humans), if someone is playing this game for more then 10h, he will probably have batter accuracy without macro than unskilled player with macro.

In order to get rid of problem by trying to implement macro/software detection, which will ban many clean players, just implement the two above steps (1&2). Then focus on really harmful cheats like aimbots, esp, triggerbots, which can destroy your game.

Sincerely,

Mike

14 Replies

  • Zergo0_007's avatar
    Zergo0_007
    7 years ago

    According to #8: EA have thousands of e-mails like this, so they don't investigate cases, just give a basic auto-answer. And I undestand this. Ofc. that experimenting with recoil is a way to go, maybe recoil will get even better, it's just how they adjust it. And "We also shouldn't change the game because people abusing macro's" this is what coding game is about, after developing a game, you are changing it to add new features, fix bugs which people use and make source code harder to inject.

    according to #10: Yes, the game is slowly becoming second fortn.., full of kids, but this is common with f2p games. Majority of people didn't understand what I wrote. If someone is just a little bit familiar with game developing and adding new systems to prevent cheaters, he should know what I meant.

    according to #11: You also didn't undestand what I wrote. I didn't say that macro is complicated, I said even opposite. It's so simple, that adding this 2 small changes in mechanism would get rid of it completely without any harm.

  • It's sad to see that people don't understand you, and even EA staff don't want to refer to this great idea.

    PUBG got rid of macro usesrs by implementing this idea in 1 day.

    After this, they would have a lot of time to fight cheaters with WH, aimbot, and no recoil hacks which inject into game files.

    There is no many cheaters in game, but people with aimbot, triggerbot and wh can definitely make this game annoying.

  • @Zergo0_007 from what I see in Diamond+ lobbies is that actually, people who win there mostly are using help from no recoil = you get constantly beamed from far away => then pushed via Octane jumpad, Rev Ult, Pathfinder grapple or zipline. Easy recipy and works every time.

    If you check out these level streamers they actually do not possess any magical skills - e.g. I can easily predict their rotations, sometimes even with better options. All they do is beam people from mid/mid-long range and that's all there is = no cursor movement with 2x 3x and even 4x. And all of them are using automatic weapons 99.999% of the time, sometimes combination of two or just a shotgun when they push in your face and away win the fight given they just beamed you for ~100 from mid range.

    It just seems that respawn/EA is ok with that and that's how Diamond+ lobbies should be played - you make it "clean" till D4, then install macro and continue playing will you get to Masters 10000. Then there is the next level of skill evolution potentially needed even though I am not 100% sure 🙂
  • EA_Atic's avatar
    EA_Atic
    Icon for DICE Team rankDICE Team
    4 years ago
    I'm closing this thread to stop it from being necroed.

    If you have any issues with APEX, please make a new topic about your problems and what kind of steps you have tried to solve them.

    /Atic